2010 prices, Clos Rougeard

[Tristan Welles]

My apologies for such a depressing thread as a starter for the first fine weekend of Spring.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

I thought this bored was the place where we didn't get all worked up about rich people discovering our wines because we just figured there'd be a next place to move on. I remember threads like these about those evil Chinese that were bidding up Bordeaux without really appreciating it. And look what happened to Bordeaux anyway.

 

[Kay Bixler]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
Worse, many of these bottles will be opened as afterthoughts, at the end of sodden evenings, where there will be little to no chance of appreciation. You know the scene, after a vertical of Mugnier Musigny someone wants to show they're cultured and connected, so they pull out a Poyeux and say, "Anyone ever had this?" Then it's passed around as a curiosity, quickly forgotten.

This is speculation.

And I'm with Jonathan. Just because many of us can no longer afford Clos Rougeard doesn't mean we can no longer afford good bottles. There's more wonderful, affordable non-spoofed wine around than ever.

I say good for the Foucaults and Overnoy and Ganevat and Baudry too. I hope they make a bundle.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

Bravo, Kay. (How was Thirst?)

 

[Kay Bixler]

Thirst was fun! Not naming names but there are gems galore in this shop. And lots of Kermit wines I don't usually see around.

 

[Brad Kane]

I believe Thirst is the largest KL account in the city. They were when I was selling KL.

 

[slaton]

I'd like to think I agree with Kay most of the time, but on a bad day I'm probably with Jim and Scott.

Pigfuckers.

 

[Zachary Ross]

Thirst is great!

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Kay Bixler:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
Worse, many of these bottles will be opened as afterthoughts, at the end of sodden evenings, where there will be little to no chance of appreciation. You know the scene, after a vertical of Mugnier Musigny someone wants to show they're cultured and connected, so they pull out a Poyeux and say, "Anyone ever had this?" Then it's passed around as a curiosity, quickly forgotten.

This is speculation.

And I'm with Jonathan. Just because many of us can no longer afford Clos Rougeard doesn't mean we can no longer afford good bottles. There's more wonderful, affordable non-spoofed wine around than ever.

I say good for the Foucaults and Overnoy and Ganevat and Baudry too. I hope they make a bundle.

Come hang out in some higher end San Francisco restaurants. Some bottles will continue to find good homes. Others will not.

 

[Kay Bixler]

What's the criteria used to determine good homes from bad? Is there a form or something? A committee?

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Zachary Ross:
Thirst is great!

I remember that one dinner at Thirst Baravin (sp?) very fondly.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Kay Bixler:
What's the criteria used to determine good homes from bad? Is there a form or something? A committee?

People whose taste and manners I approve of provide good homes. Others, not. Isn't this criterion well known?

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Kay Bixler:
What's the criteria used to determine good homes from bad? Is there a form or something? A committee?

People whose taste and manners I approve of provide good homes. Others, not. Isn't this criterion well known?

Certainly subjective and likely to cause fatal logic flaws.

 

[Kay Bixler]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Kay Bixler:
What's the criteria used to determine good homes from bad? Is there a form or something? A committee?

People whose taste and manners I approve of provide good homes. Others, not. Isn't this criterion well known?

I was sort of hoping it would be a test of strength. Maybe lifting old tractor tires or tossing empty Bordeaux barrels a predetermined distance.

 

[Zachary Ross]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Zachary Ross:
Thirst is great!

I remember that one dinner at Thirst Baravin (sp?) very fondly.

That was lovely. Too bad the bar (à vin) didn't survive. The store remains a local treasure.

 

[JasonA]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Zachary Ross:
Thirst is great!

I remember that one dinner at Thirst Baravin (sp?) very fondly.

This dinner?

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Kay Bixler:
What's the criteria used to determine good homes from bad? Is there a form or something? A committee?

People whose taste and manners I approve of provide good homes. Others, not. Isn't this criterion well known?

Certainly subjective and likely to cause fatal logic flaws.

Really? You think so?

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Kay Bixler:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Kay Bixler:
What's the criteria used to determine good homes from bad? Is there a form or something? A committee?

People whose taste and manners I approve of provide good homes. Others, not. Isn't this criterion well known?

I was sort of hoping it would be a test of strength. Maybe lifting old tractor tires or tossing empty Bordeaux barrels a predetermined distance.

I'd be OK with this. It's sort of akin to the stairstep method of grading papers: you throw the whole batch of papers down the stairs; the ones that land on the highest steps get As and so on down to the Fs down on the landing. It's perfectly objective.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Kay Bixler:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Kay Bixler:
What's the criteria used to determine good homes from bad? Is there a form or something? A committee?

People whose taste and manners I approve of provide good homes. Others, not. Isn't this criterion well known?

I was sort of hoping it would be a test of strength. Maybe lifting old tractor tires or tossing empty Bordeaux barrels a predetermined distance.

I shouldn't take the bait. But...

I expect you're just being provocative, Kay. I'm no arbitrator of worthiness for anyone to enjoy a wine. But, I'd hope that those who try to enjoy wine in a Disorderly manner can imagine a wine being wasted when employed as a status symbol, rather than a beverage. If not, then you're lucky.

Going back to prior comments, the speculative part is whether the newly-unicorned vignerons get to capture much of the market increase. Ganevat's ex-cellar prices are higher than almost anyone else in the Jura, so he's seeing some of it. Given Clos Rougeard's established status in France, you'd expect the Foucaults to see some as well, although I don't know. Baudry and Houillon are perhaps a different matter. Certainly Overnoy is revered in some corners in France. But at least as of a few years ago, their ex-cellar prices were cheap. They adjusted the bottle prices based on vintage yield, not quality or demand.

 

[Kay Bixler]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
But, I'd hope that those who try to enjoy wine in a Disorderly manner can imagine a wine being wasted when employed as a status symbol, rather than a beverage.

Jim, all I'm trying to say really is that as wine geeks we are all guilty of this on some level and are in no position to judge.

Sorry for sassin' you.