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Went to dinner for my friend's birthday and opened some birth year wines to celebrate. We had two different bottles of 1970 Ch. Palmer, one with the white Mahler-Besse neck label and one with the black label under the Palmer label. The 1970 is a legendary Palmer that I've had a few times, but not in a while. At its best, it marries a real lusciousness and deep fruit to power and length, the proverbial iron fist-velvet glove. Upon opening, and decanting, the two bottles were quite different, we nicknamed them "dirt" and "fruit" for obvious reasons. One expects bottle variation with 45 year old wine, so this wasn't a surprise. What was surprising is that instead of diverging, the wines converged towards a shared expression with air. It was a really interesting process. "Dirt" shifted towards showing underlying cherry compote and plums, to go with leather, spice, and yes, dirt. "Fruit" replaced its gloss with more earthy complexity. Both wines seemed fully resolved and on the downslope, though not so much as they weren't really enjoyable, just that there is no reason to hold them any longer and they may have been better 10+ years ago if your tastes demand more vigor. It would be interesting to try a bottle of this from the Chateau or some place where it never moved and was properly cared for.

We also had a much more modest bottle, a 1970 Lafon-Rochet. A have a pet theory about little wines like this and aging. Well this bottle was all I hoped for, in spite of a crumbling cork. The color was much lighter than the Palmer, but was still rose colored, not brown. The nose, once it perked up, was woodsy with mineral notes and crunchy red fruit. The red fruitedness was a nice surprise. I suppose it was more on the dried cranberry side of things and the wine drank very Burgundian, for lack of a better term. There was a lithe freshness to it that I really liked. I don't want to get carried away, this wasn't a Great Wine, but it was exactly what I was hoping it would be and something I wouldn't hesitate to buy or order if the conditions were right.

All in all a great evening.
 
70 L-R is a well-known success, so not sure pet theories apply. Still would like to hear them next time I see you.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
70 L-R is a well-known success, so not sure pet theories apply. Still would like to hear them next time I see you.

Well, it grew out of a discussion we had at Joe's many years ago about your theories on Burgundy Villages versus the heralded 1er and Grand Cru, namely, the more prestigious wines get "worked" more to make them deeper and more "delicious" but that may hamper a natural balance in their long term development. I also belive you applied the same thinking to Clos Rougeard vis a vis the Clos versus Bourg and Poyeux. It is an interesting line of thought and one I've incorporated.
 
The 1970 La Mission Haut-Brion has been consistently fantastic. I picked up a bunch at a good price from Winebid in its early days where there were a ton of good deals on the wines I enjoy (like $35 for 1978 Sterling Reserve, $40 for 1991 Gentaz-Dervieux, $25 for 375ml of 1998 Muller-Catoir eiswein) while most bidders were chasing Duck Muck for $400+/bottle and Screagle for much more than that. I've never liked RP more than I did during that era as he distracted deeper pockets into chasing wines I had no interest in buying, which helped keep the market stable for the wines I did.
 
originally posted by Mike Evans:
The 1970 La Mission Haut-Brion has been consistently fantastic. I picked up a bunch at a good price from Winebid in its early days where there were a ton of good deals on the wines I enjoy (like $35 for 1978 Sterling Reserve, $40 for 1991 Gentaz-Dervieux, $25 for 375ml of 1998 Muller-Catoir eiswein) while most bidders were chasing Duck Muck for $400+/bottle and Screagle for much more than that. I've never liked RP more than I did during that era as he distracted deeper pockets into chasing wines I had no interest in buying, which helped keep the market stable for the wines I did.

That was an amazing time. 1er Cru Mugneret for
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Mike Evans:
The 1970 La Mission Haut-Brion has been consistently fantastic. I picked up a bunch at a good price from Winebid in its early days where there were a ton of good deals on the wines I enjoy (like $35 for 1978 Sterling Reserve, $40 for 1991 Gentaz-Dervieux, $25 for 375ml of 1998 Muller-Catoir eiswein) while most bidders were chasing Duck Muck for $400+/bottle and Screagle for much more than that. I've never liked RP more than I did during that era as he distracted deeper pockets into chasing wines I had no interest in buying, which helped keep the market stable for the wines I did.

That was an amazing time. 1er Cru Mugneret for
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by .sasha:
70 L-R is a well-known success, so not sure pet theories apply. Still would like to hear them next time I see you.

Well, it grew out of a discussion we had at Joe's many years ago about your theories on Burgundy Villages versus the heralded 1er and Grand Cru, namely, the more prestigious wines get "worked" more to make them deeper and more "delicious" but that may hamper a natural balance in their long term development. I also belive you applied the same thinking to Clos Rougeard vis a vis the Clos versus Bourg and Poyeux. It is an interesting line of thought and one I've incorporated.

Which is why I was asking some time ago about Burgundy producers who don't chaptalize, or who restrict it to fine tuning, not for manufacturing "great wines." At the time, you were unsympathetic.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by .sasha:
70 L-R is a well-known success, so not sure pet theories apply. Still would like to hear them next time I see you.

Well, it grew out of a discussion we had at Joe's many years ago about your theories on Burgundy Villages versus the heralded 1er and Grand Cru, namely, the more prestigious wines get "worked" more to make them deeper and more "delicious" but that may hamper a natural balance in their long term development. I also belive you applied the same thinking to Clos Rougeard vis a vis the Clos versus Bourg and Poyeux. It is an interesting line of thought and one I've incorporated.

Which is why I was asking some time ago about Burgundy producers who don't chaptalize, or who restrict it to fine tuning, not for manufacturing "great wines." At the time, you were unsympathetic.

I still lack sympathy. I don't think that one variable, like chaptilization, turns it. I think it is multivariate and it's more of a sense. Believe me, if I thought you could measure one thing and go by it, I'd do that. There are tons of other things going on with Villages wines, like they are probably cropped higher and thus have more of a mix of ripeness in the vat which makes for a less seamless wine but one that can really come into its own with age. It also doesn't get all the lipstick. Chaptilization is now done in low amounts and it is mostly about the fermentation process.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Mike Evans:
The 1970 La Mission Haut-Brion has been consistently fantastic. I picked up a bunch at a good price from Winebid in its early days where there were a ton of good deals on the wines I enjoy (like $35 for 1978 Sterling Reserve, $40 for 1991 Gentaz-Dervieux, $25 for 375ml of 1998 Muller-Catoir eiswein) while most bidders were chasing Duck Muck for $400+/bottle and Screagle for much more than that. I've never liked RP more than I did during that era as he distracted deeper pockets into chasing wines I had no interest in buying, which helped keep the market stable for the wines I did.

That was an amazing time. 1er Cru Mugneret for
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by BJ:
Yeah, my Verset all went.

It will be a sad day, but mine will probably go this fall.

C'mon, I think y'all need to have a major Verset jeeb. Just open up all the bottles, knock 'em back with some great food and fuck the moneyed class. Of course, I have no Verset to sell, so I have a different perspective on it all. Not selling my Apple Corps LPs, though, or my magnum of '99 La Mission, either.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by .sasha:
70 L-R is a well-known success, so not sure pet theories apply. Still would like to hear them next time I see you.

Well, it grew out of a discussion we had at Joe's many years ago about your theories on Burgundy Villages versus the heralded 1er and Grand Cru, namely, the more prestigious wines get "worked" more to make them deeper and more "delicious" but that may hamper a natural balance in their long term development. I also belive you applied the same thinking to Clos Rougeard vis a vis the Clos versus Bourg and Poyeux. It is an interesting line of thought and one I've incorporated.

Which is why I was asking some time ago about Burgundy producers who don't chaptalize, or who restrict it to fine tuning, not for manufacturing "great wines." At the time, you were unsympathetic.

I still lack sympathy. I don't think that one variable, like chaptilization, turns it. I think it is multivariate and it's more of a sense. Believe me, if I thought you could measure one thing and go by it, I'd do that. There are tons of other things going on with Villages wines, like they are probably cropped higher and thus have more of a mix of ripeness in the vat which makes for a less seamless wine but one that can really come into its own with age. It also doesn't get all the lipstick. Chaptilization is now done in low amounts and it is mostly about the fermentation process.

Understood about the multivariate aspect, but a producer who won't chaptalize is also less likely to multiprevaricate on other fronts.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
C'mon, I think y'all need to have a major Verset jeeb. Just open up all the bottles, knock 'em back with some great food and fuck the moneyed class.
I selflessly volunteer to assist with this bold, brave mission!

(Just one btl of Verset left here, and no Gentaz)
 
I'm kind of thinking we have to have the Grand Master Jeeb in Chicago, so as to pull in both coasts as well as the heartland.

I would suggest applying for the Concannon-Lindzy bungalow, but would Josefa and Mark really like to be trampled by squadrons of unwashed winegeeks?

Mayhap.
 
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