wine like this or wine like that

Well, sit out on the porch at Lagier-Meredith (or better, take a walk amongst the Mondeuse) and you'll realise all this doesn't really matter.

Too old for this nonsense.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
Well, sit out on the porch at Lagier-Meredith (or better, take a walk amongst the Mondeuse) and you'll realise all this doesn't really matter.

Too old for this nonsense.
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Hopefully, Prof. Meredith shared some of her olives with you while you were there. They were just the thing to remedy the car sickness in Jean brought on by the drive up Mt. Veeder.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
he seems to be playing to his audience. And then there's the "all publicity is good publicity" thing
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The most interesting thing I found with the article was that it seemed to indicate he still had an audience. I thought that they had left five years ago or so, and he was now just an old angry drunk. Do people still hang out on his website? I somehow, strangely, found it deeply comforting that he still rails against pleasure haters and those types.
 
Last I read, the Wine Advocate still has something like 50,000 subscribers. And one hears second hand reports on other boreds of high roller tastings. So he still has a following. He reviews less and less, though, so per force, the following becomes less and less.
 
there is lots of good info, news, reviews, etc., at WA without reading HIM. he has very worthwhile reviewers.

i need all the info i can get and so i subscribe, and read it with my own favourite grains of salt.
 
originally posted by robert ames:
there is lots of good info, news, reviews, etc., at WA without reading HIM. he has very worthwhile reviewers.

i need all the info i can get and so i subscribe, and read it with my own favourite grains of salt.
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I am unaware of how to take the other reviewers. I remember Jeb Dunnock from the days when his Rhone Report was free. I stopped reading early on as he really does share Parker's palate. I don't know about others.
 
originally posted by robert ames:
all information is useful.

for rhone i read jll, tanzer, and jeb.
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A good metaphysical principle. But the question is, useful for what? I don't really find any of them completely trustworthy. Even Jancis regularly says kind things about spoofed CdP. Keith, of course, is like the proverbial stopped clock. He will be right Rhones twice in every 24 hours.
 
i'm not talking about trusting, i'm talking about using.

there are wine writers for which i hate what they like and what they hate might very well be my cup of tea. so the information is still useful.

for me, much better than living in a vacuum.
 
Metaphysically agreed. The tricky part of reading all these writers is how to understand when their praise is half-hearted: "I'm 93 points on this" -- meaningless -- "and it's very good for the style" -- alarm bells start to ring.
 
I've said this in another thread, but it is pertinent here. The tricky part for me is not whether I agree with their evaluation, but whether I will be interested in the kind of wine being evaluated. I can never tell reading Parker, Dunnock, ST, Robinson, et. al., whether a wine being raved about is traditional or Cambie-ish. When I already know how the wine is made, that doesn't much matter to me. But when they mention a wine that is new to me, it would. Just as an example, Robinson has a very good general write-up of the 2013 vintage in the Rhone in terms of its freshness and relative low alcohol and then lists as one of her wines of the vintage one of Isabel Ferrando's wines. Now I haven't tasted that wine and maybe the style has changed since I lasted tasted one of her wines, but mostly they have been poster children for what I don't want to taste in a CdP. Its OK with me if she likes the wine. It would be nice if the evaluation didn't exist in a context that makes me think I share her taste.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Now that I know what it is, I still need the question--or probably the joke--explained to me. Oh Chris, where are you when we need you?
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It was a suggestion that you might trust wines JLL labels "STGT" rather than wondering what does he mean by that.
 
So I finally worked my way to a list of his STGT wines. Some I like. Others I do not as much. Some, like the 03 Vieux Donjon, just baffle me. If I wanted to see whether I wanted to visit a place, I don't think I could use him as a basis any more than any of the others.
 
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