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No more Vouvray for Chidaine ?
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Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Tristan Welles
Tristan Welles
Doesn't this have consequences for vignerons in Saumur (inter alia) as well? Why did the focus start on Montlouis?
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
FWIW, Barbaresco has to be vinified in the Barbaresco commune, Barolo has to be vinified in the Barolo commune, it's not exactly unheard of to want something similar for Vouvray and Montlouis. Instead of spending money on lawyers (sorry, KW), they could just lease a facility in the commune.
Mike Evans
Mike Evans
This seems like another step toward the fulfillment of my prediction that it won't be long until the best expressions of terroir in many parts of France will be labelled as VdF under fanciful names.
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
FWIW, Barbaresco has to be vinified in the Barbaresco commune, Barolo has to be vinified in the Barolo commune, it's not exactly unheard of to want something similar for Vouvray and Montlouis. Instead of spending money on lawyers (sorry, KW), they could just lease a facility in the commune.
Hey, I fully agree!
First, Chidaine has already a "facility" in Vouvray (near the Clos Baudouin). But he builded last year a big cellar in Montlouis to make all his wines and he's got financial worries.
It's just a stupid war : "Vouvray AOC" is going down and "Montlouis" is dynamic and going up.
It's just a stupid war : "Vouvray AOC" is going down and "Montlouis" is dynamic and going up.
originally posted by Yixin:
This was the case for Savennières until recently. Otherwise Mosse, Baudouin and many others would not be able to label with the AOC.
Yes, it seems dumb, but I'm in Sonoma now and when I see the crazy distances grapes are trucked, I wonder if it's not such a bad rule.
In Savennières, you can cellared in Beaulieu, Rochefort, Chaudefond and Saint-Aubin. But not in Rablay ? It's just an "anti-concurrentielle" rule like most of the rules of the AOC.
Common Yixin.
5 hours in a refrigerated truck in small cases are much better than 1/2 hour in a huge crop trailer behind a tractor...
And if you don't allow grapes to go from Vouvray to Montlouis, you certainly don't allow the use of yeasts selected somewhere in South Africa to ferment Chenin from the Loire.
BTW, I am not allowed to make Cote Rotie in Brézème (45mn by truck), but could make Chablis in Charnay (2.5 hours).
The whole thing is a non sense.
5 hours in a refrigerated truck in small cases are much better than 1/2 hour in a huge crop trailer behind a tractor...
And if you don't allow grapes to go from Vouvray to Montlouis, you certainly don't allow the use of yeasts selected somewhere in South Africa to ferment Chenin from the Loire.
BTW, I am not allowed to make Cote Rotie in Brézème (45mn by truck), but could make Chablis in Charnay (2.5 hours).
The whole thing is a non sense.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Interesting point about yeasts. If an AOC made ambient yeasts compulsory, then it would make sense to vinify in the area where the grapes come from. But if the yeasts can come from anywhere, then there doesn't seem to be any point in stipulating anything geographic besides the origin of the grapes.
originally posted by Yixin:
This was the case for Savennières until recently. Otherwise Mosse, Baudouin and many others would not be able to label with the AOC.
Yes, it seems dumb, but I'm in Sonoma now and when I see the crazy distances grapes are trucked, I wonder if it's not such a bad rule.
So much for "native yeasts"...
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Yixin:
This was the case for Savennières until recently. Otherwise Mosse, Baudouin and many others would not be able to label with the AOC.
Yes, it seems dumb, but I'm in Sonoma now and when I see the crazy distances grapes are trucked, I wonder if it's not such a bad rule.
So much for "native yeasts"...
They travel on the grape skins, no?
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Yixin:
This was the case for Savennières until recently. Otherwise Mosse, Baudouin and many others would not be able to label with the AOC.
Yes, it seems dumb, but I'm in Sonoma now and when I see the crazy distances grapes are trucked, I wonder if it's not such a bad rule.
So much for "native yeasts"...
They travel on the grape skins, no?
Indeed, but that's only part of the equation; the dudes hangin' out at the cellar would be from a "different appelation".
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Yixin:
This was the case for Savennières until recently. Otherwise Mosse, Baudouin and many others would not be able to label with the AOC.
Yes, it seems dumb, but I'm in Sonoma now and when I see the crazy distances grapes are trucked, I wonder if it's not such a bad rule.
So much for "native yeasts"...
They travel on the grape skins, no?
Yes, mostly, but think of it this way: you have your own body odor, but then you ride to work on the NYC subway. You pick up a lot more odors than when you left your building.