What will you drink tonight (SFJoe birthday version)?

[Jeff Grossman]

Grief moves like waves on the ocean.

Tonight it was Lucien Crochet 2014 Sancerre "Pinot Rose", just dry, chalky, a little fruity, very typique. Joe loved his Sancerre rose.

ETA: And if you drink a bunch, a song comes to you while you read the label:
Lucien Crochet
Sancerre Rose
Ville de Bué
Buvez, buvez!

On the next verse, you can swap the 'ch' in Crochet for the 's' in Rose. For no reason.

 

[fillay]

originally posted by VLM:

This.

Had dinner at Rue Cler last night with my parents. Bongran and Texier to drink. I know he would have enjoyed both and I miss him.

My first bottle of Bongran (2002, courtesy of Arno) was also the only time I met Joe in person - at Josefa and Mark's place over some amazing mole. IIRC, Joe's reception of the wine was gracious but firm, along the lines of "someone will love this, but it won't be me."

 

[Chris Coad]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by Chris Coad:
I'm not opening anything.

I'm still really angry.

That's on me, I know. I know it's neither fair nor kind. But that's where I am.

I wish someone would explain the anger.

There is very much anger, and some loose and traveling anger, and I don't understand.

We've spoken of it a lot, and I'd be happy to do so again at your first opportunity. The Huet at Marseille isn't going to drink itself.

This positive, celebratory thread is probably not the best venue to do so, though.

We'll talk.

 

[Chris Coad]

originally posted by Yixin:
Chris, thank you, as ever the truth-teller, however much that hurts.

Obnoxious crankery is a longstanding Disorder tradition. Joe would surely approve.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by fillay:

originally posted by VLM:

This.

Had dinner at Rue Cler last night with my parents. Bongran and Texier to drink. I know he would have enjoyed both and I miss him.

My first bottle of Bongran (2002, courtesy of Arno) was also the only time I met Joe in person - at Josefa and Mark's place over some amazing mole. IIRC, Joe's reception of the wine was gracious but firm, along the lines of "someone will love this, but it won't be me."

True. He didn't like botrytis at all.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Chris Coad:

originally posted by Yixin:
Chris, thank you, as ever the truth-teller, however much that hurts.

Obnoxious crankery is a longstanding Disorder tradition. Joe would surely approve.

Both of them.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by Chris Coad:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by Chris Coad:
I'm not opening anything.

I'm still really angry.

That's on me, I know. I know it's neither fair nor kind. But that's where I am.

I wish someone would explain the anger.

There is very much anger, and some loose and traveling anger, and I don't understand.

We've spoken of it a lot, and I'd be happy to do so again at your first opportunity. The Huet at Marseille isn't going to drink itself.

This positive, celebratory thread is probably not the best venue to do so, though.

We'll talk.

Deal.

 

[mark e]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by fillay:

originally posted by VLM:

This.

Had dinner at Rue Cler last night with my parents. Bongran and Texier to drink. I know he would have enjoyed both and I miss him.

My first bottle of Bongran (2002, courtesy of Arno) was also the only time I met Joe in person - at Josefa and Mark's place over some amazing mole. IIRC, Joe's reception of the wine was gracious but firm, along the lines of "someone will love this, but it won't be me."

True. He didn't like botrytis at all.

Yes, but . . . I remember a bottle of 1995 Prager Feinburgunder that JD liked quite a bit, notwithstanding a giant dollop of Botrytis. VA, on the other hand, was where we often parted company (I can't stand it).

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by mark e:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by fillay:

originally posted by VLM:

This.

Had dinner at Rue Cler last night with my parents. Bongran and Texier to drink. I know he would have enjoyed both and I miss him.

My first bottle of Bongran (2002, courtesy of Arno) was also the only time I met Joe in person - at Josefa and Mark's place over some amazing mole. IIRC, Joe's reception of the wine was gracious but firm, along the lines of "someone will love this, but it won't be me."

True. He didn't like botrytis at all.

Yes, but . . . I remember a bottle of 1995 Prager Feinburgunder that JD liked quite a bit, notwithstanding a giant dollop of Botrytis. VA, on the other hand, was where we often parted company (I can't stand it).

Yeah, he delighted in horrifying me with wines offscale with VA. After one example (vin jaune? Madeira? I forget now but Jay Miller might recall) that elicited a wince from me and a DNPIM reaction, he proudly stated "acetaldehyde!" with a decidedly sadistic tone to his voice.

Mark Lipton
(who'd willingly quaff pure acetaldehyde if it meant another such encounter)

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by mark e:

originally posted by VLM:


True. He didn't like botrytis at all.

Yes, but . . . I remember a bottle of 1995 Prager Feinburgunder that JD liked quite a bit, notwithstanding a giant dollop of Botrytis. VA, on the other hand, was where we often parted company (I can't stand it).

Yeah, he delighted in horrifying me with wines offscale with VA. After one example (vin jaune? Madeira? I forget now but Jay Miller might recall) that elicited a wince from me and a DNPIM reaction, he proudly stated "acetaldehyde!" with a decidedly sadistic tone to his voice.

Mark Lipton
(who'd willingly quaff pure acetaldehyde if it meant another such encounter)

Trying to remember but can't call it to mind, any other details about the occasion?

He also liked a 1995 Brundlmayer Gruner that he opened at Inside back in, I think, 2004 which had a bit of botrytis and converted me to aged gruner.

I would have opened an aged gruner in memory of that but Arnold wouldn't drink it and I didn't want the rest of the bottle to go to waste. So we had some very good Bianco Moscato d'Asti and that bottle is now in my mind the one that is celebrating the birthday whenever I open it.

 

[Suzanne Camhi]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Grief moves like waves on the ocean.

Tonight it was Lucien Crochet 2014 Sancerre "Pinot Rose", just dry, chalky, a little fruity, very typique. Joe loved his Sancerre rose.

ETA: And if you drink a bunch, a song comes to you while you read the label:
Lucien Crochet
Sancerre Rose
Ville de Bué
Buvez, buvez!

On the next verse, you can swap the 'ch' in Crochet for the 's' in Rose. For no reason.

Glad you enjoyed the bottle.

 

[Brad Kane]

I also seem to recall Joe liking a bottle or two of Huet. Quite a bit of botrytis at that domaine.

Getting back to Dashe, Joe introduced me to both his wines and to Mike way back when. First had the '97 Late Harvest Zin at Joe's on 6/3/99 as we had a dinner bidding adieu to Dressner for the summer. Just found the tn for it and I actually still have the bottle from that dinner.

1997 Dashe Cellars, Late Harvest Zinfandel
Gorgeous nose of Raspberries, honey and slight chocolate. Delicous, pure and sweet raspberry fruit. What's great about this late harvest Zin is that it doesn't have the raisiny quality that most late harvest Zins seem to have. There's great purity to the raspberry that sets it apart. Joe reports that there was a diligent effort to snip of any raisined fruit from the vine. The effort certainly has payed off. A-. It should be noted that Dressner, no lover of CA wine, said, "it's like a Port without Complexity. That's a compliment." He said this while reaching for his second glass.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

Trying to remember but can't call it to mind, any other details about the occasion?

It was a dinner at Cendrillon with you, me, Joe, Jean, Dale and Betsy. Since Jean was also there, it would have been the time of our NYU visit, so ca. 2008 or 2009. This was a wine that Joe brought out at the end of the meal, though I'm not sure whether it was off the restaurant's list or from his own stash.

Mark Lipton

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by MLipton:
It was a dinner at Cendrillon with you, me, Joe, Jean, Dale and Betsy. Since Jean was also there, it would have been the time of our NYU visit, so ca. 2008 or 2009.

Cendrillon closed in Feb. 2009, IIRC. Just if that helps you situate.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by slaton:
Tonight it's Hetch-Hetchy's finest, alas.

That's quite apropos. He loved Hetch Hetchy.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Suzanne Camhi:

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Grief moves like waves on the ocean.

Tonight it was Lucien Crochet 2014 Sancerre "Pinot Rose", just dry, chalky, a little fruity, very typique. Joe loved his Sancerre rose.

ETA: And if you drink a bunch, a song comes to you while you read the label:
Lucien Crochet
Sancerre Rose
Ville de Bué
Buvez, buvez!

On the next verse, you can swap the 'ch' in Crochet for the 's' in Rose. For no reason.

Glad you enjoyed the bottle.

Yes, indeed. Thank you!

Someone has to be happy around here. A dirty job but I'm the man for it. Rough, tough, and buff. (CRAW shay... ROSS ay...)

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

Trying to remember but can't call it to mind, any other details about the occasion?

It was a dinner at Cendrillon with you, me, Joe, Jean, Dale and Betsy. Since Jean was also there, it would have been the time of our NYU visit, so ca. 2008 or 2009. This was a wine that Joe brought out at the end of the meal, though I'm not sure whether it was off the restaurant's list or from his own stash.

Mark Lipton

The wine in question was a Puffball: click

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

Trying to remember but can't call it to mind, any other details about the occasion?

It was a dinner at Cendrillon with you, me, Joe, Jean, Dale and Betsy. Since Jean was also there, it would have been the time of our NYU visit, so ca. 2008 or 2009. This was a wine that Joe brought out at the end of the meal, though I'm not sure whether it was off the restaurant's list or from his own stash.

Mark Lipton

The wine in question was a Puffball: click

That meal! Oddly, the one wine Dale got wrong was the only wine I ever remember from that dinner. The corked Muscadet was my last 1988 Pepiere from the CSW half case.

 

[Jay Miller]

AssuMing I can trust my memory. Always a risky bet

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Brad Kane:
I also seem to recall Joe liking a bottle or two of Huet. Quite a bit of botrytis at that domaine.

I remember him specifically not liking some 1998 Austrians and other dry wines with botrytis, but memory is fallible.