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What will you drink tonight (SFJoe birthday version)?
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originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I also seem to recall Joe liking a bottle or two of Huet. Quite a bit of botrytis at that domaine.
I remember him specifically not liking some 1998 Austrians and other dry wines with botrytis, but memory is fallible.
No, actually I think your memory is spot on. Our taste evolved during the 90s. In the mid-90s we drank far more Austrians with botrytis. With time, our aversion grew, particularly for dry wines. I also started buying far more German wines without botrytis, as well.
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I also seem to recall Joe liking a bottle or two of Huet. Quite a bit of botrytis at that domaine.
I remember him specifically not liking some 1998 Austrians and other dry wines with botrytis, but memory is fallible.
No, actually I think your memory is spot on. Our taste evolved during the 90s. In the mid-90s we drank far more Austrians with botrytis. With time, our aversion grew, particularly for dry wines. I also started buying far more German wines without botrytis, as well.
I'm not certain what either of your aversions stems from, but I find that botrytis is a one-note element in wine that can overwhelm the rest of it. In that sense it resembles to me {other forms of} spoofulation, in that it tends to dominate the character of the wine to the exclusion of other details.
Mark Lipton
Um, well. I hadn't heard about Joe. And I still don't really know, but based on Coad's message, I have a pretty good idea. How sad. I remember our collective concern on September 11th, and what a great relief it was to find out he was ok. I never met him in person, but he was always right up my alley. I feel for all of you who really knew him.
Mark
Mark
Lou Kessler
Lou Kessler
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I'm not opening anything.
I'm still really angry.
That's on me, I know. I know it's neither fair nor kind. But that's where I am.
Thanks, I didn't have the guts to say it.
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I also seem to recall Joe liking a bottle or two of Huet. Quite a bit of botrytis at that domaine.
I remember him specifically not liking some 1998 Austrians and other dry wines with botrytis, but memory is fallible.
No, actually I think your memory is spot on. Our taste evolved during the 90s. In the mid-90s we drank far more Austrians with botrytis. With time, our aversion grew, particularly for dry wines. I also started buying far more German wines without botrytis, as well.
I'm not certain what either of your aversions stems from, but I find that botrytis is a one-note element in wine that can overwhelm the rest of it. In that sense it resembles to me {other forms of} spoofulation, in that it tends to dominate the character of the wine to the exclusion of other details.
Mark Lipton
Precisely. It rides roughshod over terroir (as Brett can often do) and dumbs a wine down. My sentence above was unclear: we both found that botrytis, particularly in dry wines, was unpleasant.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
Thanksoriginally posted by Chris Coad:
I'm not opening anything.
I'm still really angry.
That's on me, I know. I know it's neither fair nor kind. But that's where I am.
Thanks, I didn't have the guts to say it.
You have exactly as much guts as anyone around here, Lou.
You may lack the unfiltered asshole gene, though. Probably not as much of a problem as it seems at the moment.