CWD: 2011 Coudert Griffe

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

I wonder if he felt pressured to create a super-premium bottling by the trend set at other high-quality domaines, e.g., Desvignes Impenitence, Lapeirre's mm series, and Foillard's 3.14.

 

[fillay]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
I wonder if he felt pressured to create a super-premium bottling by the trend set at other high-quality domaines, e.g., Desvignes Impenitence, Lapeirre's mm series, and Foillard's 3.14.

In which case he's doing the pricing all wrong.

 

[Ken Schramm]

originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
Horehound on my trail...

All my love's in Vosne.

 

[Rahsaan]

Had a lovely bottle of 2012 Griffe the other day. Much more giving than my last bottle (which was kind of awkward/tight), but with the delightful freshness of the vintage. It was aromatic and delicious.

My wife even did a doubletake and complemented the wine, which doesn't often happen when I open such 'sour' northerly red wines.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Had a lovely bottle of 2012 Griffe the other day. Much more giving than my last bottle (which was kind of awkward/tight), but with the delightful freshness of the vintage. It was aromatic and delicious.

My wife even did a doubletake and complemented the wine, which doesn't often happen when I open such 'sour' northerly red wines.

I cannot compliment you on having completed your education until you complement your economic expertise with some knowledge of grammar and spelling.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

This board is so mean!

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Had a lovely bottle of 2012 Griffe the other day. Much more giving than my last bottle (which was kind of awkward/tight), but with the delightful freshness of the vintage. It was aromatic and delicious.

My wife even did a doubletake and complemented the wine, which doesn't often happen when I open such 'sour' northerly red wines.

Good to know, I haven't tried this vintage lately.

My father always complains about my taste for "thin acidic" wine. He's only half being a "gobs and gobs" caricature.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Had a lovely bottle of 2012 Griffe the other day. Much more giving than my last bottle (which was kind of awkward/tight), but with the delightful freshness of the vintage. It was aromatic and delicious.

My wife even did a doubletake and complemented the wine, which doesn't often happen when I open such 'sour' northerly red wines.

I cannot compliment you on having completed your education until you complement your economic expertise with some knowledge of grammar and spelling.

I use private language, myself. Your fascist grammar rules don't apply to me.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

Can you guys talk about how these very young Griffes are doing with their oak, though?

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Can you guys talk about how these very young Griffes are doing with their oak, though?

I love them. I think it imparts a really interesting texture and the nose is a bit richer as well. It's a different beast, but it works for me.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Had a lovely bottle of 2012 Griffe the other day. Much more giving than my last bottle (which was kind of awkward/tight), but with the delightful freshness of the vintage. It was aromatic and delicious.

My wife even did a doubletake and complemented the wine, which doesn't often happen when I open such 'sour' northerly red wines.

I cannot compliment you on having completed your education until you complement your economic expertise with some knowledge of grammar and spelling.

I use private language, myself. Your fascist grammar rules don't apply to me.

If you really did that, of course, no one could understand you. Alas the above sentence is all too coherent, unless, of course, you mean by fascist that if it doesn't rain, you will go for a walk.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Can you guys talk about how these very young Griffes are doing with their oak, though?

I love them. I think it imparts a really interesting texture and the nose is a bit richer as well. It's a different beast, but it works for me.

Interesting. I think I'm just gun-shy after a few too-young Burgundies in the past year or two.

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Had a lovely bottle of 2012 Griffe the other day. Much more giving than my last bottle (which was kind of awkward/tight), but with the delightful freshness of the vintage. It was aromatic and delicious.

My wife even did a doubletake and complemented the wine, which doesn't often happen when I open such 'sour' northerly red wines.

I cannot compliment you on having completed your education until you complement your economic expertise with some knowledge of grammar and spelling.

Thankfully I have very little economic expertise and my education is ongoing.

On Sharon's point, I have never found the oak to be a problem on the Griffe wines. It's not exactly new oak and it doesn't impart non-wine-related flavors. That said, I can see why some would prefer the Tardive. I think they are (obviously) both excellent. But my sensibilities have led me to focus on the Griffe.

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Can you guys talk about how these very young Griffes are doing with their oak, though?

I love them. I think it imparts a really interesting texture and the nose is a bit richer as well. It's a different beast, but it works for me.

Interesting. I think I'm just gun-shy after a few too-young Burgundies in the past year or two.

If anything, I have found that the Tardive can be rougher young (and for several years) because of the tannin structure.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Can you guys talk about how these very young Griffes are doing with their oak, though?

I love them. I think it imparts a really interesting texture and the nose is a bit richer as well. It's a different beast, but it works for me.

Interesting. I think I'm just gun-shy after a few too-young Burgundies in the past year or two.

As I've stated before here, this has been one of my great mid-life realizations: wines that are too oaky to enjoy in their youths can, in the right hands, turn into lovely mature wines given enough time. I use as Exhibit A the wines of Dujac. One of my most transcendent wine experiences was with an '88 Clos de la Roche opened in '05, but I have no doubt that I would have had no pleasure from it in 1995.

I'm gonna give my Griffes a lot of time in the cave, maybe even more than I give the Tardives. Keep in mind my noted oenogerontophilia, however.

Mark Lipton

 

[Yixin]

Dugat-Py.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Can you guys talk about how these very young Griffes are doing with their oak, though?

I love them. I think it imparts a really interesting texture and the nose is a bit richer as well. It's a different beast, but it works for me.

Interesting. I think I'm just gun-shy after a few too-young Burgundies in the past year or two.

If anything, I have found that the Tardive can be rougher young (and for several years) because of the tannin structure.

So ... how does the oak treatment interact with the tannins? Does the mild oxidation through the wood pores smooth and make them friendlier?

This is old, neutral wood, by the way, right?

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Had a lovely bottle of 2012 Griffe the other day. Much more giving than my last bottle (which was kind of awkward/tight), but with the delightful freshness of the vintage. It was aromatic and delicious.

My wife even did a doubletake and complemented the wine, which doesn't often happen when I open such 'sour' northerly red wines.

I cannot compliment you on having completed your education until you complement your economic expertise with some knowledge of grammar and spelling.

I use private language, myself. Your fascist grammar rules don't apply to me.

If you really did that, of course, no one could understand you. Alas the above sentence is all too coherent, unless, of course, you mean by fascist that if it doesn't rain, you will go for a walk.

This would be an idiolect, I believe. Not denoting idiocy, per se, but rather linguistic singularity, isolated from conventions of expression that faciliate communication among groups of people. As opposed to, say, a dialect.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Had a lovely bottle of 2012 Griffe the other day. Much more giving than my last bottle (which was kind of awkward/tight), but with the delightful freshness of the vintage. It was aromatic and delicious.

My wife even did a doubletake and complemented the wine, which doesn't often happen when I open such 'sour' northerly red wines.

I cannot compliment you on having completed your education until you complement your economic expertise with some knowledge of grammar and spelling.

I use private language, myself. Your fascist grammar rules don't apply to me.

If you really did that, of course, no one could understand you. Alas the above sentence is all too coherent, unless, of course, you mean by fascist that if it doesn't rain, you will go for a walk.

This would be an idiolect, I believe. Not denoting idiocy, per se, but rather linguistic singularity, isolated from conventions of expression that faciliate communication among groups of people. As opposed to, say, a dialect.

As you will know, some people deny too much individuation to the concept of idiolect. If only the speaker understands it, it may just be babble that sounds like language, as when parrots reproduce the sounds of words. But maybe you are speaking about the idiolect of language philosophers for whom the above example is eye-rollingly old.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
As you will know, some people deny too much individuation to the concept of idiolect. If only the speaker understands it, it may just be babble that sounds like language, as when parrots reproduce the sounds of words. But maybe you are speaking about the idiolect of language philosophers for whom the above example is eye-rollingly old.

Where on this spectrum does Husserl fall?

Note: I never studied him but friends were quite vocal about his redefinition of terms.