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. . . . . Pete
 
It was split pea soup and a side of crab claw treatment.

Perhaps the opinion was that Ch Lafite could/should stand by itself. (Pure speculation!)

. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by fillay:
I've always wondered what pairs well with imperialism.
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None of these guys were imperialists. They were all small entrepreneurs on whom the imperialists built their fortunes (except for Marco Polo, who didn't even create any Italian imperialism). You can tell, because of how many of them ended up impoverished, imprisoned or both.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
You can tell, because of how many of them ended up impoverished, imprisoned or both.
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This sounded glib and some research shows that the aforementioned explorers actually ended up quite all right:

Cartier - retired to his property in the town in Brittany in which he was born, Saint Malo, and died age 65 of disease
de Leon - shot with a poisoned arrow during his second voyage to Florida, died soon after in Cuba, buried in Puerto Rico, age 47
da Gama - died of disease shortly after arriving in India for the third time (he was Viceroy, by the way), age at least 55
Polo - after captivity by an enemy of Venice, he returned, got rich, and died in his bed, age 69
Vespucci - Pilot Major of Spain, died in his home in Seville, age 58
Columbus - died in Spain after a prolonged illness (13 years), age 54

I'll grant you that Magellan and Raleigh did not fare so well.
 
originally posted by fillay:
I've always wondered what pairs well with imperialism.
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Champagne or Port are probably best, perhaps claret as well, because nobody's done imperialism classier than the British. But, really, any wine will do. If it weren't for the Roman empire, the noble vine would hardly exist anywhere at all.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
You can tell, because of how many of them ended up impoverished, imprisoned or both.
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This sounded glib and some research shows that the aforementioned explorers actually ended up quite all right:

Cartier - retired to his property in the town in Brittany in which he was born, Saint Malo, and died age 65 of disease
de Leon - shot with a poisoned arrow during his second voyage to Florida, died soon after in Cuba, buried in Puerto Rico, age 47
da Gama - died of disease shortly after arriving in India for the third time (he was Viceroy, by the way), age at least 55
Polo - after captivity by an enemy of Venice, he returned, got rich, and died in his bed, age 69
Vespucci - Pilot Major of Spain, died in his home in Seville, age 58
Columbus - died in Spain after a prolonged illness (13 years), age 54

I'll grant you that Magellan and Raleigh did not fare so well.
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By your own list, de Gama and Leon died while exploring and Polo was imprisoned. In the case of Columbus, you omit his years of imprisonment and poverty, though you are right that he didn't end up that way. Vespucci is a genuine counter-example.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
You can tell, because of how many of them ended up impoverished, imprisoned or both.
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This sounded glib and some research shows that the aforementioned explorers actually ended up quite all right:

Cartier - retired to his property in the town in Brittany in which he was born, Saint Malo, and died age 65 of disease
de Leon - shot with a poisoned arrow during his second voyage to Florida, died soon after in Cuba, buried in Puerto Rico, age 47
da Gama - died of disease shortly after arriving in India for the third time (he was Viceroy, by the way), age at least 55
Polo - after captivity by an enemy of Venice, he returned, got rich, and died in his bed, age 69
Vespucci - Pilot Major of Spain, died in his home in Seville, age 58
Columbus - died in Spain after a prolonged illness (13 years), age 54

I'll grant you that Magellan and Raleigh did not fare so well.
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By your own list, de Gama and Leon died while exploring and Polo was imprisoned. In the case of Columbus, you omit his years of imprisonment and poverty, though you are right that he didn't end up that way. Vespucci is a genuine counter-example.
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You said, "ended up", which is not the case at the ends of Columbus' and Polo's lives.

With regard to da Gama, I don't think 'death while Viceroy' is going to be seen as a defeat or dismissal.

I agree that de Leon could have done better.
 
You said, "ended up", which is not the case at the ends of Columbus' and Polo's lives.
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Semantics, my friend.

Let's look at others:

Balboa - beheaded for treason in 1519
Pizarro - assassinated on June 26, 1541, in Lima, Peru
Cabrillo - died on San Miguel Island (in the Santa Barbara Channel) after a fight with Indians
Cortes - returned to Spain where he died a few years later
Cook - killed by a mob on Feb. 14, 1779, on the Sandwich Islands (Hawaii)

Should I keep going. Many of these trips were even worse for the crew. Think of how many ships came back from these explorations to the Motherland.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
You said, "ended up", which is not the case at the ends of Columbus' and Polo's lives.
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Semantics, my friend.

Let's look at others:

Balboa - beheaded for treason in 1519
Pizarro - assassinated on June 26, 1541, in Lima, Peru
Cabrillo - died on San Miguel Island (in the Santa Barbara Channel) after a fight with Indians
Cortes - returned to Spain where he died a few years later
Cook - killed by a mob on Feb. 14, 1779, on the Sandwich Islands (Hawaii)

Should I keep going. Many of these trips were even worse for the crew. Think of how many ships came back from these explorations to the Motherland.
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Absolutely. I only questioned the assertion in re the explorers chosen for the menu.

And, yes, being a mariner in those days was not a long-term career plan.

Note, however, that both Balboa and Pizarro were killed by political rivals, not their dangerous lifestyles, while Cabrillo died of gangrene during ship repairs. Cortes had run out of money but owned lots of property; we can call that a Mexican stand-off.
 
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Clicking on the explorer thumbnails in the parent note provides some (interesting?) details as well.

. . . . . Pete
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Not really.

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I was going to make a joke about the 1941 Chr. Columbus being our local mozzarella merchant, but it wasn't that great.

However, it reminded me of a John Lennon quip I've always liked (and was probably trying to steal, half-bakedly).

"My name is John Winston Lennon, my mother named me after Churchill. John Churchill, the local fishmonger."
 
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