Ar Pe Pe

Ian Fitzsimmons

Ian Fitzsimmons
I've tried a couple of these wines recently, trying different Nebbiolo-based wines, looking for something with a bit less abv than the Piemont powerhouses.

Rosso 2012

The wine was very delicious: pure-tasting, slightly tart fruit, thin on the palate (as opposed to viscous), with just enough fine, sandy tannins to create a pleasing textural contrast. The last glass was the best, several days after opening the bottle: the tannins had smoothed nicely, the wine exchanging textural contrast for limpidity (albeit without a ton of complexity).

I'm better with textures than with flavor-aroma descriptors: I'd say the dark side of cherry, not quite into the tar spectrum. 'Fresh' - the descriptor you read everywhere about these wines - is apt. At 13% abv, it kicks the brain around at a more gradual pace than do many southern-Piemont wines.

The Ar Pe Pe site calls this bottle a daily drinker; at $28, for me, not so much. But it's a step up from even the very good Nebbiolo de Langhes I've tried so far, which seem to start near $25, so the value is fair.

Sasella Stella Retica 2006?

Directly from the bottle, for the first evening, this was - again - relatively thin, a wrangly mess of tough tannins and sour acidity - the basic Rosso seemed preferable. I poured 1/2 of the bottle into a clean 375 and refrigerated it for several days. This batch, the second day after uncorking it anew, was very much improved, showing ample fruit to carry the structural elements with some class. Now the wine's relatively thin texture and lean body (13% abv) were assets, elegantly framing a substantial, concentrated pouch of brothy fruit. This is the first wine that's helped me make sense of Nebbiolo-Burgundy comparisons.

After the second trial, at < $50, this bottle seemed pretty good value, in today's market, for a wine of this cast and quality.
 
Good winery and wines. Burgundian barolo seems an appropriate descriptor for it. They show better with some age, as acidity tones down. I particularly like their Sassella Rocce Rosse. BTW, looking at prices there, the 3 tier system + hype makes them very expensive in the US compared with Europe
 
Yeah, there's some perspective on prices here vs. there on another much-visited wine board. For my purposes, I have to compare it to the cost of something similarly appealing to me, which is normally Burgundy (in red), which has gotten even more ridiculously expensive.

By the way, the chat is that the biggest APP price bump comes from their European distributor, but I have no direct information with which to form an independent view.
 
I find the wines more or less ready to go when released. I was drinking the 2006 Grumello frequently when it was available here. A friend has a theory on these wines that they are a bit of a solera. That makes a ton of sense to me from the way they taste. I've been trying different alpine nebbiolo lately and have been enjoying Colombera & Garella Bramaterra and Coste della Sesia. They're blends of nebbiolo, croatina and vespolina. I don't know the folks involved and haven't visited, I've just enjoyed the wines.

 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Yeah, there's some perspective on prices here vs. there on another much-visited wine board. For my purposes, I have to compare it to the cost of something similarly appealing to me, which is normally Burgundy (in red), which has gotten even more ridiculously expensive.

By the way, the chat is that the biggest APP price bump comes from their European distributor, but I have no direct information with which to form an independent view.

I don't know of any Italian wine that reaches the US via a European distributor, but ArPePe do have a national importer, which certainly makes a difference.
 
They would be upset to hear their wines described as Barolo of any kind, even Burgundian Barolo.

They do have a European broker.

I have visited the cellar and didn't encounter anything resembling a solera. I did encounter botte with three different types of wood staves (chestnut, acacia, and oak) which are not used for all the wines.
 
originally posted by Oliver McCrum:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Yeah, there's some perspective on prices here vs. there on another much-visited wine board. For my purposes, I have to compare it to the cost of something similarly appealing to me, which is normally Burgundy (in red), which has gotten even more ridiculously expensive.

By the way, the chat is that the biggest APP price bump comes from their European distributor, but I have no direct information with which to form an independent view.

I don't know of any Italian wine that reaches the US via a European distributor, but ArPePe do have a national importer, which certainly makes a difference.

Who is the national importer? They are no longer available to me and I'd like to change that.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I have visited the cellar and didn't encounter anything resembling a solera. I did encounter botte with three different types of wood staves (chestnut, acacia, and oak) which are not used for all the wines.

I think that the implication is that the vintage on the label may be approximate and that there is more blending going on than one might imagine. It's just a hypothesis to explain how the wines show age and youth at the same time. I don't really care and have no real problem with it since whatever they are doing is working, I really enjoy the wines.

I've heard a similar theory about Rayas, too.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Oliver McCrum:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Yeah, there's some perspective on prices here vs. there on another much-visited wine board. For my purposes, I have to compare it to the cost of something similarly appealing to me, which is normally Burgundy (in red), which has gotten even more ridiculously expensive.

By the way, the chat is that the biggest APP price bump comes from their European distributor, but I have no direct information with which to form an independent view.

I don't know of any Italian wine that reaches the US via a European distributor, but ArPePe do have a national importer, which certainly makes a difference.

Who is the national importer? They are no longer available to me and I'd like to change that.

Tellitalia Imports, in Colorado. I wish wineries this size didn't have national importers, but I'm biased.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I have visited the cellar and didn't encounter anything resembling a solera. I did encounter botte with three different types of wood staves (chestnut, acacia, and oak) which are not used for all the wines.

I think that the implication is that the vintage on the label may be approximate and that there is more blending going on than one might imagine. It's just a hypothesis to explain how the wines show age and youth at the same time. I don't really care and have no real problem with it since whatever they are doing is working, I really enjoy the wines.

I've heard a similar theory about Rayas, too.

When I visited Rayas, back in I think in 90 or 91, and in the cellars none of the barrels were marked as to whether they were Rayas or Pignan, I asked Jacques Reynaud how he could tell the difference among them, and he said, that he just tasted them when he bottled and chose the ones he liked best for Rayas and the others for Pignan. This wouldn't have been vintage mixing, but in that ballpark. I should say that Reynaud seemed to take considerable pleasure in teasing me and he might have been pulling my leg. I suspected he was.
 
originally posted by Oliver McCrum:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Oliver McCrum:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Yeah, there's some perspective on prices here vs. there on another much-visited wine board. For my purposes, I have to compare it to the cost of something similarly appealing to me, which is normally Burgundy (in red), which has gotten even more ridiculously expensive.

By the way, the chat is that the biggest APP price bump comes from their European distributor, but I have no direct information with which to form an independent view.

I don't know of any Italian wine that reaches the US via a European distributor, but ArPePe do have a national importer, which certainly makes a difference.

Who is the national importer? They are no longer available to me and I'd like to change that.

Tellitalia Imports, in Colorado. I wish wineries this size didn't have national importers, but I'm biased.

Thanks, Oliver. I wish YOU were national.

They don't seem to have a website.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I have visited the cellar and didn't encounter anything resembling a solera. I did encounter botte with three different types of wood staves (chestnut, acacia, and oak) which are not used for all the wines.

I think that the implication is that the vintage on the label may be approximate and that there is more blending going on than one might imagine. It's just a hypothesis to explain how the wines show age and youth at the same time. I don't really care and have no real problem with it since whatever they are doing is working, I really enjoy the wines.

I've heard a similar theory about Rayas, too.

I suspect this is more of a terroir marker than a blending marker, in terms of structure and freshness.
 
originally posted by VLM:
I find the wines more or less ready to go when released. I was drinking the 2006 Grumello frequently when it was available here. A friend has a theory on these wines that they are a bit of a solera. That makes a ton of sense to me from the way they taste. I've been trying different alpine nebbiolo lately and have been enjoying Colombera & Garella Bramaterra and Coste della Sesia. They're blends of nebbiolo, croatina and vespolina. I don't know the folks involved and haven't visited, I've just enjoyed the wines.


Northern Piedmont is a great source of drinkable, not horribly expensive Nebbiolo. The 'Garella' here is the enfant terrible enologist from that region Cristiano Garella, who used to manage and make the wine at Sella, but is now consulting to a number of small producers.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Oliver McCrum:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Oliver McCrum:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Yeah, there's some perspective on prices here vs. there on another much-visited wine board. For my purposes, I have to compare it to the cost of something similarly appealing to me, which is normally Burgundy (in red), which has gotten even more ridiculously expensive.

By the way, the chat is that the biggest APP price bump comes from their European distributor, but I have no direct information with which to form an independent view.

I don't know of any Italian wine that reaches the US via a European distributor, but ArPePe do have a national importer, which certainly makes a difference.

Who is the national importer? They are no longer available to me and I'd like to change that.

Tellitalia Imports, in Colorado. I wish wineries this size didn't have national importers, but I'm biased.

Thanks, Oliver. I wish YOU were national.

They don't seem to have a website.

Thank you.

Try this, at least for contact info: http://www.tellitaliaimports.com

Or email me at oliver at omwines dot com for Isabella's email address.
 
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This is a rock outcropping extending into the Ar. Pe. Pe. cellar. The cellar is underneath the Grumello vineyard.

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This is the Grumello vineyard, as well as the cellar door.
 
Heroic viticulture indeed, I can't imagine the amount of work maintaining the terracing alone, never mind hiking up and down those vineyards.
 
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