Dead Vatan wines

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drssouth

Stephen South
Opened 2 2007's. Like water. Bad Opened 2011. A bit better but not great. 07s were from Chelsea ventures. The 2011 was weygandt. WTF?????????????
 
Interesting. Within the last year or so, I opened two bottles of 2007 that I had a different issue with: they had a strange chemical taint. Sort of like bug spray, but worse. Undrinkable. Sourced from a reputable west coast retailer. Most recently, I opened another 2007 sourced from Weygandt, and it was very good (and ready to go in my opinion, unlike all subsequent vintages and some prior vintages).

I have never thought the 2011 was a great wine, but have not experienced any flawed bottles.

Had a corked 2002 not long ago. Fuck.
 
originally posted by drssouth:
Dead Vatan winesOpened 2 2007's. Like water. Bad Opened 2011. A bit better but not great. 07s were from Chelsea ventures. The 2011 was weygandt. WTF?????????????
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fakes?

i mean, watery Vatan sounds like fake Vatan to me. is faking Vatan a thing?
 
originally posted by drssouth:
To console ourselves...91 chave red with braised beef short ribs
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That certainly doesn't suck. The '88 was a tad more interesting last time I had them, but both were spectacular wines.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by drssouth:
To console ourselves...91 chave red with braised beef short ribs
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That certainly doesn't suck. The '88 was a tad more interesting last time I had them, but both were spectacular wines.

Mark Lipton
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The 91 is totally amazing tonight.
Birth year of my older dtr who got engaged last week. Nice celebration wine
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by drssouth:
Dead Vatan winesOpened 2 2007's. Like water. Bad Opened 2011. A bit better but not great. 07s were from Chelsea ventures. The 2011 was weygandt. WTF?????????????
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fakes?

i mean, watery Vatan sounds like fake Vatan to me. is faking Vatan a thing?
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That's what came to my mind, too.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by drssouth:
Dead Vatan winesOpened 2 2007's. Like water. Bad Opened 2011. A bit better but not great. 07s were from Chelsea ventures. The 2011 was weygandt. WTF?????????????
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fakes?

i mean, watery Vatan sounds like fake Vatan to me. is faking Vatan a thing?
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Yes, water is a good thing when describing Vatan because it expresses the weightless quality of his expression, and you're saying it's a bad thing?
I don't understand.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by drssouth:
Dead Vatan winesOpened 2 2007's. Like water. Bad Opened 2011. A bit better but not great. 07s were from Chelsea ventures. The 2011 was weygandt. WTF?????????????
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fakes?

i mean, watery Vatan sounds like fake Vatan to me. is faking Vatan a thing?
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That's what came to my mind, too.
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I don't know anything about premox with Vatan, but in both Burgundy and Alsace, watery and short tasting bottles constitute about 10% of my experience with premox. Just had once last night (a '96 white burg that I'd guess as a sound but a far simpler wine if served blind.)
 
I've never had a dead Vatan wine, but I also don't have any 2007s kicking around. My last bottle of 2005 was great and while I haven't had it in a while, the last 2011 I had was great.

Strange showing. I don't really know what to make of .sasha's assertion above. That hasn't been my experience, but I've been around long enough to listen.
 
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