1er Cru not displayed?

Pete, what is the wine? I cannot think of a nsg 1er cru that shares a name with a villages parcel bearing the same name (i can think of two in chambolle, however. - Combe d'Orveaux and Veroilles).
 
Maureen, I just learned today after being a Lechenaut drinker for some time.

To be clear, the producer apparently did everything right...it was the purveyors who apparently did not. While a bit disappointed to have apparently been misled, I'm not too upset as I feel this wine which I've had from several vintages has measured up to 1er Cru standards.

Live and learn! Press on!

. . . . Pete
 
Maureen, I had them several days apart in totally different circumstances and, of course, the Lechenaut had the benefit of more cellar time, so difficult to compare; however, it would be hard to rate the Lechenaut Damodes '02 above, or even equal to, the Gouges Porrets '10. The Lechenaut is a fine wine. The Gouges struck me as even finer.

The Gouges Porrets '10 would get my solid vote, especially at the most appealing Wally's price point. (My order was delivered today!)

. . . . Pete
 
I was not a Lecheneaut drinker till recently either. But I've become a fan of this wine and I think it does perform at the level of a serious 1er cru. The domaine's reputation is for a heavy, oaky, Parker style of Burgundy so I never sought them out. I was at Macarthur a little while ago and they had a bunch of the 08 Damodes in the bargain bin. Who should wander in but Bobby Kacher! Seeing the sale tag on the 08 he bought a couple for himself, and the guys at Macarthur introduced me and he talked (and talked!) me into trying one as well. Well, it was super and I went back for more. Didn't find out till later that it had a big chunk of 1er cru in there. I had a '96 recently which was also excellent but I got the impression the more recent vintages are done with a gentler touch.
 
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
But, I have to say, with sadness, that this seems to be a losing battle.
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When the most common usage for the usage for what you think it means is in the context of telling people what they think it means rather than what you think it means it's not a losing battle, it's lost. Varietal is the same way.
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No. the stupidity of referring to a variety as a varietal is headed for the graveyard of pointless in-group jargon. Only wine geeks do this and only about wine. The mistake is, as I have said before, a toxic combination of arrogance and ignorance. I remain hopeful about his one until I first hear a biologist refer to varietals of animal species.

By the way, I regularly use the phrase to beg the question to mean what it did in contexts other than correcting people. It is the blank looks I get that persuade me that that battle is all but over, alas. Since I continue to refer to things as under weigh rather than under way, however, fond antiquarian that I am, I will continue to beg questions when I argue badly rather than when I am curious.
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originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
But, I have to say, with sadness, that this seems to be a losing battle.
Click to expand...
When the most common usage for the usage for what you think it means is in the context of telling people what they think it means rather than what you think it means it's not a losing battle, it's lost. Varietal is the same way.
Click to expand...

No. the stupidity of referring to a variety as a varietal is headed for the graveyard of pointless in-group jargon. Only wine geeks do this and only about wine. The mistake is, as I have said before, a toxic combination of arrogance and ignorance. I remain hopeful about his one until I first hear a biologist refer to varietals of animal species.

By the way, I regularly use the phrase to beg the question to mean what it did in contexts other than correcting people. It is the blank looks I get that persuade me that that battle is all but over, alas. Since I continue to refer to things as under weigh rather than under way, however, fond antiquarian that I am, I will continue to beg questions when I argue badly rather than when I am curious.
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Actually, it's use is not limited to wine anymore. The disease had spread. I am in the vegetable seed business and, unfortunately, I hear it all the time. An article I read recently in Bon Appetit discussed bean "varietals". I think it makes people feel like they sound fancy.
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originally posted by Brian C:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
But, I have to say, with sadness, that this seems to be a losing battle.
Click to expand...
When the most common usage for the usage for what you think it means is in the context of telling people what they think it means rather than what you think it means it's not a losing battle, it's lost. Varietal is the same way.
Click to expand...

No. the stupidity of referring to a variety as a varietal is headed for the graveyard of pointless in-group jargon. Only wine geeks do this and only about wine. The mistake is, as I have said before, a toxic combination of arrogance and ignorance. I remain hopeful about his one until I first hear a biologist refer to varietals of animal species.

By the way, I regularly use the phrase to beg the question to mean what it did in contexts other than correcting people. It is the blank looks I get that persuade me that that battle is all but over, alas. Since I continue to refer to things as under weigh rather than under way, however, fond antiquarian that I am, I will continue to beg questions when I argue badly rather than when I am curious.
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Actually, it's use is not limited to wine anymore. The disease had spread. I am in the vegetable seed business and, unfortunately, I hear it all the time. An article I read recently in Bon Appetit discussed bean "varietals". I think it makes people feel like they sound fancy.
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Let us hope that Gregory Mendel's ghost will attend to Bon Appetit.
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originally posted by Peter Creasey:

After quite a bit of research, I learned that the wine is produced from lieu-dit and 1/2 - 2/3 from the 1er Cru part of the vineyard.
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Pete, they are all (1er Cru, Village, Grand Cru) made up of lieux-dits. Essentially.
 
Aleksandr, I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that's it's okay for Lecheneaut Damodes to be advertised as 1er Cru? If so, why doesn't the producer show the 1er Cru designation on his bottle label?

Current Burgundy convention apparently is that lieu-dit is the term for non-classified location and climat is the term for 1er Cru and Grand Cru location.

. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Aleksandr, I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that's it's okay for Lecheneaut Damodes to be advertised as 1er Cru? If so, why doesn't the producer show the 1er Cru designation on his bottle label?
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Nope, it is definitely not OK.

Current Burgundy convention apparently is that lieu-dit is the term for non-classified location and climat is the term for 1er Cru and Grand Cru location.
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Lieu-dit is a cadastral unit, equally applicable to Grand Cru, 1er Cru and Village territory. We tend to associate the nomenclature with Village classification simply because it is often in the interest of a vigneron to (legally) add the name of the lieu-dit to the label of an AOC wine as an indication of a singular plot and presumably better quality, e.g. Meursault "Les Narvaux." You are far more likely to see the name of a climat (which may be comprised of a single or multiple lieux-dits) on a label, for reasons of recognition and association with a well-known classification by your average disorderly. There are however exceptions where it's advantageous to single out a plot given an overall inconsistent quality of a Cru, e.g. Clos de Vougeot "Le Musigni." A famous example is Corton, where the name of the lieu-dit is found on a label more often than not (at least among the good stuff!).
 
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