Todd Abrams
Todd Abrams
Mas Champart Clos de la Simonette. Inexpensive and ages into a world-class wine.
Guy walks into a wine shop with $1,000
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Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Pinon fizz, too.
Any- and everything from Baudry.
Puzelat.
Your world is an oyster and every month starts with an "R."
Any- and everything from Baudry.
Puzelat.
Your world is an oyster and every month starts with an "R."
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
This is kind of the daydream version of the What Did You Drink Last Night thread, no?
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
I have not found Beaucastel reds to be the wines they used to be up until the mid 90s, though they are no doubt good wines. For the money and a little less, I would be much more likely to buy Charvin, Pegau or Mourre du Tendre, all of which are far more distinctive wines these days.
Beaucastel whites are sort of special creatures. They are quite nice young, but not worth the tariff to my mind. When they come out of their oxidized period at age 15 or so, they can be marvelous, but it's always hard to time them and hard to know. If one were going in that direction, I'd much more likely buy the regular bottling than the Vielles Vignes, which is distnctive but not to me worth twice the price. Before hunting rarities like this, one might consider buying Chateau des Tours CdR white which is pretty expensive for a simple CdR white but ages amazingly and does give the experience of what a Rhone white can be.
Obviously, all these recommendations will not be for everyone. There are plenty of people on this bored who consider all Southern Rhones as DNPM and if Brad is one of them, he should definitely listen to other people.
Beaucastel whites are sort of special creatures. They are quite nice young, but not worth the tariff to my mind. When they come out of their oxidized period at age 15 or so, they can be marvelous, but it's always hard to time them and hard to know. If one were going in that direction, I'd much more likely buy the regular bottling than the Vielles Vignes, which is distnctive but not to me worth twice the price. Before hunting rarities like this, one might consider buying Chateau des Tours CdR white which is pretty expensive for a simple CdR white but ages amazingly and does give the experience of what a Rhone white can be.
Obviously, all these recommendations will not be for everyone. There are plenty of people on this bored who consider all Southern Rhones as DNPM and if Brad is one of them, he should definitely listen to other people.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
It is to their loss!
Florida Jim
Florida Jim
Puzelat - really?
Our experiences with this producer must be 180.
Best, Jim
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Which coast, cher Jim?
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
Jonathan, The Beaucastel CNdP Rouge '98 last night was really fine and a wonderful complement to grilled calf's liver and onions, roasted beets, and okra/tomatoes. Quite youthful, needless to say, but still a joy!
. . . . . Pete
Tristan Welles
Tristan Welles
True, and I hope people are recommending wine the like. In my case perhaps I should be been more specific about why I recommended them.
Each -- in my opinion -- are good in every vintage. So the experimental splurge might lead to something else. (The vintage choice for the Barolo and Burgundy were necessary to slide under the $1000 limit.) I chose a couple that I think might be new to most Disorderlies (the Tiefenbruner). But also looked for values when that is becoming a much rarer thing. And I spread them around for the sake of variety. Also, they should be somewhat easy to find. And I made the choice of balancing the wine so that 6 of each could be purchased, as all change enough to make drinking over a substantial time worthwhile. No doubt the Clisson is a bit of a cliché for Disorderlies, but so be it.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
If you've had the 81, 83, 85, 89 or 90, or for that matter the 94, and you still think the 98 is the same kind of wine, then one can only say our tastes differ. And I also prefer the 98 Pegau, Charvin and Mourre duTendre. And VT and VD for good measure.
Florida Jim
Florida Jim
Left.
Best, Jim
Bill Lundstrom
Bill Lundstrom
same here.
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
Jonathan, No disagreement, those are fine vintages. I would further submit that the Beaucastel '98 is on a par with or better than other vintages during that interval.
. . . . . Pete
. . . . . Pete
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
But I won't be agreeing.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Bill, are we BYO'ing in Philly?...
Bill Lundstrom
Bill Lundstrom
most likely, sharon, yes.
Terry Angleton
Terry Angleton
Scoured town looking for *any* 2015 Germans and found none yet, alas
Also, opened an '09 Barthod Bon Batons - still tight as a drum; YMMV
Also, opened an '09 Barthod Bon Batons - still tight as a drum; YMMV
I know that the timing makes safe shipping difficult, but I really wish there were more German Rieslings available here in the states the summer after harvest. As young wines they are really wonderful on summer evenings. Perhaps I should be grateful, though, since the situation is much better now than it used to be, and on the east coast there have been some 2015s available. I've been drinking the 2015 Lauer Barrel X, and loving it, and some 2015s from Falkenstein have recently shown up.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
Those Falkensteins are good but certainly very Saar. Fortunately Arnold isn't bothered by acidity, only alchohol.