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Ha! Why didn't I think of that?

No oysters at the moment however....

Let me know if you go and I'll have them dig up some wines off the list for you...
 
originally posted by Josh Fontaine:
Ha! Why didn't I think of that?

No oysters at the moment however....

Let me know if you go and I'll have them dig up some wines off the list for you...

I arrive on Saturday and will be in town for a week. Will definitely be stopping in.
 
not sure about hard to find, but one can drink very well:

2008 Boloree on Friday dinner at Gastrologik was very special. I am beginning to think the '08 will be better than the great '06. (and don't miss Gastrologik if you are in Stockholm.)

Tschidde 2014 non-tradition GV is as good as the 2012, maybe better. (and now its available in the US via Jenny & Francois!!)

2008 Agrapart Venus at Kadeau CPH was superb -- BTW, Kadeau is not to be missed. Far better than noma at the moment.

Gut Oggau Winifred 2014 is fantastic: https://delectable.com/wine/gut-oggau/winifred-blaufrankisch-zweigelt-rose/ (not sure if this is available in the US)

'12 L'Angelore Vintage Tavel was superb at Glas 19 in Stockholm for lunch. and the food is shockingly good, given the place presents as a bar.

Good but not great bottle of '12 Overnoy Poulsard at Dahlgren's Matbaren in Stockholm. Selosse Initial by the glass, by the way. And our very good waiter comped me on one to make up for a terrible dessert he had recommended.

(oh yeah and the '12 Fac-Simile (noma CPH) and '13 Fac-Similes (Manfreds CPH) are both great; the '12 just beginning to get something beyond baby primary.)

and i had a glass or two of this: https://delectable.com/wine/daniel-sage/roue-libre-n°18-gamay/-- not worth going very far out of your way, but merits at least a slight detour.
 
Nice drinking! Thanks for the writeup.

I still have to get my ass to Copenhagen. Jarek might be moving there, so I might get a chance to visit.
 
Happy Birthday, Kirk! Glad you enjoyed Copenhagen and Stockholm!

I agree on Kadeau. My lunch at their Bornholm location was one of my best meals last year.
 
originally posted by Robert Dentice:

Happy Birthday, Kirk! Glad you enjoyed Copenhagen and Stockholm!

I agree on Kadeau. My lunch at their Bornholm location was one of my best meals last year.

Thanks. And i remember your reaction to Kadeau Bornholm; it was the principal reason we chose Kadeau-CPH over Amass this year. I just wish we had chosen Amass over noma. (BTW, Kadeau moved their CPH location to a new beautifully designed and executed space; hope you can try it next time you are over that way.) I really want to get out to Bornholm.
 
Earlier this week Marcia and I met up with a Brazilian couple in Copenhagen for lunch at NOMA during its final month at the current location, where it has been since opening in 2003. At the end of the year they move to new premises and, in the meantime, the entire staff of ninety + people (including some family) is moving to Mexico, where there will be a local version for a few months.

The evening before we had a splendid dinner at Kadeau (CPH), a recommendation which we have Kirk to thank for.

The two restaurants have several things in common: extensive wine lists dedicated to natural wines, including a ton of hipster rarities; employee reception committees at the door to welcome guests; extremely attentive service, wherein each dish is introduced, sometimes incomprehensibly, by a wait person with a different accent; beautifully appointed interiors of elegant and minimal modern Danish design; and extremely inventive seasonal tasting menus, of which nearly every condiment is made from scratch in the kitchen or “r&d room”, mostly low in starches and red meat, and dedicated to local produce and seafood, all outstandingly fresh, when not alive minutes before.

At Kadeau we had the better wine experience, truly inebriating, and at NOMA the better food experience, bordering on the transcendental.

At Kadeau, after listening to the impressive wine pairing suggestions, we gladly delivered our fate to the sommelier. Like most enlightened exemplars of his species, he was delighted to have appreciative customers and brought us so many servings, often refilling the same wines, that by the end of the evening we were on the brink of collapse, and would have been done for had the food not been so spare and healthy.

A dozen hours later at NOMA, livers still reeling, we found the suggested pairings not as inspiring as the ones at Kadeau, so opted for a single white and single red; this did not prevent James, our equally appreciative Australian sommelier, from comping us with interesting glasses of this and that. After lunch, we were given a tour of the kitchen and office, and had a nice chat with superstar chef René Redzepi, who posed for the inevitable photo op. After NOMA, we chilled by visiting Copenhagen’s amazing Louisiana Museum, hugely recommended, but outside the scope of this summary reportage.

Food-wise, I imagine something similar happens to all of us when awareness suddenly pops that the whole is somehow magically adding up to more than the sum of the parts - a kind of joyous somersault in the cerebellum - and the pleasure centers start dancing their little jig of joy. At Kadeau, this jig happened a few times. At NOMA, it happened with almost every dish, creating a tide of growing awe that gradually converted the sum of the jigs into an olympic victory march. We have never before enjoyed a meal this much, along every conceivable front.

The wines from Kadeau:
NV (2011) Vincent Charlot Champagne La Fruit de Ma Passion Extra Brut 12.7%
Pinot Meunier 65%, Pinot Noir 20%, Chardonnay 15%. Less than 5g/l dosage. No malo (boo). Quite delicious, despite a slightly bitter finish.
NV Jacques Lassaigne Les Vignes de Montgüeux Extra Brut Blanc de Blancs 12.0%
My third bottle of this. Attractive florals, but a bit disappointing in the follow through.
2015 Marc Pesnot Muscadet La Bohème 12.0%
100% Melon de Bourgogne. One of the most amazing noses of recent times. Went gaga for it. Too bad acidity is somewhat lacking.
2012 Le Coste Vino Bianco Lazio 13.0%
Classic long maceration white flavor, quite delicious and gastronomic.
2011 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc 13.0%
Yum, but a bit on the oaky side.
2014 Domaine de la Tournelle (Evelyne et Pascal Clairet) Fleur de Savagnin Arbois (abv not noted)
Ouillé. Delicious.
2001 Domaine Saint Nicolas (Thierry Michon) La Grande Pièce Fiefs Vendéens 12.0%
What, 2001 by the glass? This tasted remarkably fresh, as if made yesterday. Had to make sure of the vintage several times. Delicious.
2015 Camillo Donati Malvasia Dolce Emilia-Romagna 5.0%
Delicious (sorry, little discernment after a certain point).
2014 Domaine de L’Octavin Dorabella 10.7%
Poulsard. Too far gone by this point, but I remember it as very nice.

The wines from NOMA:
2013 Christian Tschida Non-Tradition 12.5%
Grüner Veltliner. A bit viscous, when I needed zip and minerality; but fine material.
2007 Cyril Le Moing Grolle Noire 12.0%
Impressive structure, but a bit too piercing for continuing pleasure.
(year not noted) J.F. Chene La Coulée d’Ambrosia L’O2 Vigne 14.5%
Tasted like baby vin jaune but it’s Chenin aged under flor. Lovely.
2011 Sébastien Riffault Sancerre Tardif Auksenis 16.0%
Botrytized Sauvignon Blanc. Another surprise, delicious, not at all unctuous or cloying.

The menu at Kadeau:
Kadeau_Menu-2.jpg
The menu at NOMA:
NOMA_Menu-1.jpg
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Earlier this week Marcia and I met up with a Brazilian couple in Copenhagen for lunch at NOMA during its final month at the current location, where it has been since opening in 2003. At the end of the year they move to new premises and, in the meantime, the entire staff of ninety + people (including some family) is moving to Mexico, where there will be a local version for a few months.

The evening before we had a splendid dinner at Kadeau (CPH), a recommendation which we have Kirk to thank for.

The two restaurants have several things in common: extensive wine lists dedicated to natural wines, including a ton of hipster rarities; employee reception committees at the door to welcome guests; extremely attentive service, wherein each dish is introduced, sometimes incomprehensibly, by a wait person with a different accent; beautifully appointed interiors of elegant and minimal modern Danish design; and extremely inventive seasonal tasting menus, of which nearly every condiment is made from scratch in the kitchen or “r&d room”, mostly low in starches and red meat, and dedicated to local produce and seafood, all outstandingly fresh, when not alive minutes before.

At Kadeau we had the better wine experience, truly inebriating, and at NOMA the better food experience, bordering on the transcendental.

At Kadeau, after listening to the impressive wine pairing suggestions, we gladly delivered our fate to the sommelier. Like most enlightened exemplars of his species, he was delighted to have appreciative customers and brought us so many servings, often refilling the same wines, that by the end of the evening we were on the brink of collapse, and would have been done for had the food not been so spare and healthy.

A dozen hours later at NOMA, livers still reeling, we found the suggested pairings not as inspiring as the ones at Kadeau, so opted for a single white and single red; this did not prevent James, our equally appreciative Australian sommelier, from comping us with interesting glasses of this and that. After lunch, we were given a tour of the kitchen and office, and had a nice chat with superstar chef René Redzepi, who posed for the inevitable photo op. After NOMA, we chilled by visiting Copenhagen’s amazing Louisiana Museum, hugely recommended, but outside the scope of this summary reportage.

Food-wise, I imagine something similar happens to all of us when awareness suddenly pops that the whole is somehow magically adding up to more than the sum of the parts - a kind of joyous somersault in the cerebellum - and the pleasure centers start dancing their little jig of joy. At Kadeau, this jig happened a few times. At NOMA, it happened with almost every dish, creating a tide of growing awe that gradually converted the sum of the jigs into an olympic victory march. We have never before enjoyed a meal this much, along every conceivable front.

The wines from Kadeau:
NV (2011) Vincent Charlot Champagne La Fruit de Ma Passion Extra Brut 12.7%
Pinot Meunier 65%, Pinot Noir 20%, Chardonnay 15%. Less than 5g/l dosage. No malo (boo). Quite delicious, despite a slightly bitter finish.
NV Jacques Lassaigne Les Vignes de Montgüeux Extra Brut Blanc de Blancs 12.0%
My third bottle of this. Attractive florals, but a bit disappointing in the follow through.
2015 Marc Pesnot Muscadet La Bohème 12.0%
100% Melon de Bourgogne. One of the most amazing noses of recent times. Went gaga for it. Too bad acidity is somewhat lacking.
2012 Le Coste Vino Bianco Lazio 13.0%
Classic long maceration white flavor, quite delicious and gastronomic.
2011 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc 13.0%
Yum, but a bit on the oaky side.
2014 Domaine de la Tournelle (Evelyne et Pascal Clairet) Fleur de Savagnin Arbois (abv not noted)
Ouillé. Delicious.
2001 Domaine Saint Nicolas (Thierry Michon) La Grande Pièce Fiefs Vendéens 12.0%
What, 2001 by the glass? This tasted remarkably fresh, as if made yesterday. Had to make sure of the vintage several times. Delicious.
2015 Camillo Donati Malvasia Dolce Emilia-Romagna 5.0%
Delicious (sorry, little discernment after a certain point).
2014 Domaine de L’Octavin Dorabella 10.7%
Too far gone by this point, but I remember it as very nice.

The wines from NOMA:
2013 Christian Tschida Non-Tradition 12.5%
Grüner Veltliner. A bit viscous, when I needed zip and minerality; but fine material.
2007 Cyril Le Moing Grolle Noire 12.0%
Impressive structure, but a bit too piercing for continuing pleasure.
(year not noted) J.F. Chene La Coulée d’Ambrosia L’O2 Vigne 14.5%
Tasted like baby vin jaune but it’s Chenin aged under flor. Lovely.
2011 Sébastien Riffault Sancerre Tardif Auksenis 16.0%
Botrytized Sauvignon Blanc. Another surprise, delicious, not at all unctuous or cloying.

Wonderful report. Thanks.

Because I will be going more often to Oslo - and wanted to take a ferry to Copenhagen on the next trip - I'm wondering about the logistics here? How long in advance would you recommend reserving at Kadeau for dinner? (I ask only because when we were in Oslo last May, we went to the fantastic - recommended here - Solsiden for seafood, but two months in advance were only able to get a 5:30 PM or 9:30 PM reservation.)
 
I was able to reserve a table for six in early January, so one month before, but I imagine it might get harder as Spring springs. Perhaps Bornholm is easier.

Sounds like a long ride, from Oslo to CPH.
 
Fantastic writeup. Can you tell us more about the food that fleshes out the bare-bones descriptors on the menus? I'd love to be drawn in, especially given your enjoyment.

One niggle:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
No malo (boo).

I am curious as to why you prefer malolactic fermentation here?
 
Even septimated, this place remains the bee's knees.

My dear, I'll post some pics, hoping that a pixel is worth a thousand bits.

As for Saint Malo, unless the grapes have little or no malic acid to begin with, which can be the case when sourced from older vines, malo is an entirely natural process that, if inhibited by cold cellars, will rear its bactericidal head as soon as room temperature is encountered. Producers who don't want the critters to munch because the conversion reduces the sensation of acidity must (no pun intended) either add sulfur or use sterile filtration. The ones in the natural camp use the latter, considering it to be the lesser evil (otherwise there could be no demi secs or moelleux out in the welt). But it is still an intervention, an implied acidulation, one whose need forever casts wines with residual sugar, including many Germans, into oenous purgatory. There, part of the punishment is that we have the option to pillory them until they cast their visages downward (all the way to the bank).
 
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