originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I liked the Pinon Rose a lot more than you, finding it quite vibrant. I tried it at the end of the evening so maybe air helped.
The Faure Hermitage was wonderful, one of my WOTDs.
The 1990 Olga Picasses was fantastic, one of the best bottles of this I recall having.
The 2005 TL Sancerre was one of the best Buster examples of this that I recall. Usually I prefer the regular other than for the picture
"CVNE 1981 Rioja Gran Reserva "Vina Real" - a whiff of rubber galoshes and a little stinging acidity but this is red-fruited and well-composed"
I enjoyed the CVNE much more than you finding it a perfectly resolved lovely Rioja. My last bottle so maybe rose colored sentiment was influencing me.
"O Raffault 2012 Chinon "Les Picasses" - rather ordinary"
I liked the 2012 Olga Picasses a lot less than you
I loved the Marie Courtin Eloquence, a perfectly graceful, lithe Champagne.
The Pahlmeyer ('95 Merlot?) was also perfectly dreadful but for different reasons.
But the absolute star of the night was Cliff's bread.
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I liked the Pinon Rose a lot more than you, finding it quite vibrant. I tried it at the end of the evening so maybe air helped.
The Faure Hermitage was wonderful, one of my WOTDs.
The 1990 Olga Picasses was fantastic, one of the best bottles of this I recall having.
The 2005 TL Sancerre was one of the best Buster examples of this that I recall. Usually I prefer the regular other than for the picture
"CVNE 1981 Rioja Gran Reserva "Vina Real" - a whiff of rubber galoshes and a little stinging acidity but this is red-fruited and well-composed"
I enjoyed the CVNE much more than you finding it a perfectly resolved lovely Rioja. My last bottle so maybe rose colored sentiment was influencing me.
"O Raffault 2012 Chinon "Les Picasses" - rather ordinary"
I liked the 2012 Olga Picasses a lot less than you
I loved the Marie Courtin Eloquence, a perfectly graceful, lithe Champagne.
The Pahlmeyer ('95 Merlot?) was also perfectly dreadful but for different reasons.
But the absolute star of the night was Cliff's bread.
Cliff, I am sure, will testify that I went out of my gourd to tell him just that. Like, hunted him down and demanded his secrets and talked baking for the better part of an hour about vessels and steam and types of flour.
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I liked the Pinon Rose a lot more than you, finding it quite vibrant. I tried it at the end of the evening so maybe air helped.
The Faure Hermitage was wonderful, one of my WOTDs.
The 1990 Olga Picasses was fantastic, one of the best bottles of this I recall having.
The 2005 TL Sancerre was one of the best Buster examples of this that I recall. Usually I prefer the regular other than for the picture
"CVNE 1981 Rioja Gran Reserva "Vina Real" - a whiff of rubber galoshes and a little stinging acidity but this is red-fruited and well-composed"
I enjoyed the CVNE much more than you finding it a perfectly resolved lovely Rioja. My last bottle so maybe rose colored sentiment was influencing me.
"O Raffault 2012 Chinon "Les Picasses" - rather ordinary"
I liked the 2012 Olga Picasses a lot less than you
I loved the Marie Courtin Eloquence, a perfectly graceful, lithe Champagne.
The Pahlmeyer ('95 Merlot?) was also perfectly dreadful but for different reasons.
But the absolute star of the night was Cliff's bread.
Cliff, I am sure, will testify that I went out of my gourd to tell him just that. Like, hunted him down and demanded his secrets and talked baking for the better part of an hour about vessels and steam and temperatures and kneading and types of flour
So, have you put those secrets to good use yet?
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I liked the Pinon Rose a lot more than you, finding it quite vibrant. I tried it at the end of the evening so maybe air helped.
The Faure Hermitage was wonderful, one of my WOTDs.
The 1990 Olga Picasses was fantastic, one of the best bottles of this I recall having.
The 2005 TL Sancerre was one of the best Buster examples of this that I recall. Usually I prefer the regular other than for the picture
"CVNE 1981 Rioja Gran Reserva "Vina Real" - a whiff of rubber galoshes and a little stinging acidity but this is red-fruited and well-composed"
I enjoyed the CVNE much more than you finding it a perfectly resolved lovely Rioja. My last bottle so maybe rose colored sentiment was influencing me.
"O Raffault 2012 Chinon "Les Picasses" - rather ordinary"
I liked the 2012 Olga Picasses a lot less than you
I loved the Marie Courtin Eloquence, a perfectly graceful, lithe Champagne.
The Pahlmeyer ('95 Merlot?) was also perfectly dreadful but for different reasons.
But the absolute star of the night was Cliff's bread.
Cliff, I am sure, will testify that I went out of my gourd to tell him just that. Like, hunted him down and demanded his secrets and talked baking for the better part of an hour about vessels and steam and temperatures and kneading and types of flour
So, have you put those secrets to good use yet?
No, because I have a job and have to get up early instead of baking leisurely, as the Noodle intended.
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I liked the Pinon Rose a lot more than you, finding it quite vibrant. I tried it at the end of the evening so maybe air helped.
The Faure Hermitage was wonderful, one of my WOTDs.
The 1990 Olga Picasses was fantastic, one of the best bottles of this I recall having.
The 2005 TL Sancerre was one of the best Buster examples of this that I recall. Usually I prefer the regular other than for the picture
"CVNE 1981 Rioja Gran Reserva "Vina Real" - a whiff of rubber galoshes and a little stinging acidity but this is red-fruited and well-composed"
I enjoyed the CVNE much more than you finding it a perfectly resolved lovely Rioja. My last bottle so maybe rose colored sentiment was influencing me.
"O Raffault 2012 Chinon "Les Picasses" - rather ordinary"
I liked the 2012 Olga Picasses a lot less than you
I loved the Marie Courtin Eloquence, a perfectly graceful, lithe Champagne.
The Pahlmeyer ('95 Merlot?) was also perfectly dreadful but for different reasons.
But the absolute star of the night was Cliff's bread.
Cliff, I am sure, will testify that I went out of my gourd to tell him just that. Like, hunted him down and demanded his secrets and talked baking for the better part of an hour about vessels and steam and temperatures and kneading and types of flour
So, have you put those secrets to good use yet?
No, because I have a job and have to get up early instead of baking leisurely, as the Noodle intended.
No one's interested in your excuses, Chris.
... A pox on CVNE for what it has done to Vina Real.
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
But the absolute star of the night was Cliff's bread.
Carrot confit sounds really interesting.originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
But the absolute star of the night was Cliff's bread.
Nope - Jeff's carrots
originally posted by slaton:
Sounds wonderful.
Did anyone note the color of the capsule on the Faurie Hermitage?
I don't know when the practice started, but according to Kermit:
Gréffieux/Bessards: Cream capsule
Bessards/Méal: Gold capsule
Méal: Gold capsule with “M”
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I liked the Pinon Rose a lot more than you, finding it quite vibrant. I tried it at the end of the evening so maybe air helped.
The Faure Hermitage was wonderful, one of my WOTDs.
The 1990 Olga Picasses was fantastic, one of the best bottles of this I recall having.
The 2005 TL Sancerre was one of the best Buster examples of this that I recall. Usually I prefer the regular other than for the picture
"CVNE 1981 Rioja Gran Reserva "Vina Real" - a whiff of rubber galoshes and a little stinging acidity but this is red-fruited and well-composed"
I enjoyed the CVNE much more than you finding it a perfectly resolved lovely Rioja. My last bottle so maybe rose colored sentiment was influencing me.
"O Raffault 2012 Chinon "Les Picasses" - rather ordinary"
I liked the 2012 Olga Picasses a lot less than you
I loved the Marie Courtin Eloquence, a perfectly graceful, lithe Champagne.
The Pahlmeyer ('95 Merlot?) was also perfectly dreadful but for different reasons.
Some comments.
Jeff, I think my main criticism with the Thevenet was it was not that good. And it seemed that '96 Huet CdB DS was just an off bottle.
Jay, totally disagree on the Vina Real. :) I found it was at least 15-20 years from being perfectly resolved, after which it will be even more delicious and complex than it already is. As I noted on Saturday, I think this bottle would have been even better with a couple more hours of air. A pox on CVNE for what it has done to Vina Real.
We should line up some T-L Busters - do a vertical. I thought this one aged fattish and still shows sweet, which translates to a heaviness I didn't care for. I'm not 100% sure Buster isn't generally better young and energetic but in a leaner form than 2005. Ripe but for me better balanced vintage 1997 a few months ago was better. It looks like I only have 2002, 2006, 2012, and (the spectacular) 2014 left for a vertical.
I'm finishing off the last glass of the Brand VT for dessert tonight. Was my only bottle and an excellent time to drink it. Whereas I suspect the delicious Foreau's real prime time is 15 to 40 years from now.
Grunhaus was white o'night for me. That's just good dirt.
But the absolute star of the night was Cliff's bread.
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
We should line up some T-L Busters - do a vertical. I thought this one aged fattish and still shows sweet, which translates to a heaviness I didn't care for. I'm not 100% sure Buster isn't generally better young and energetic but in a leaner form than 2005. Ripe but for me better balanced vintage 1997 a few months ago was better. It looks like I only have 2002, 2006, 2012, and (the spectacular) 2014 left for a vertical.
originally posted by MarkS:
... A pox on CVNE for what it has done to Vina Real.
??
Other than having a recently corked example, what is meant by this?
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by MarkS:
... A pox on CVNE for what it has done to Vina Real.
??
Other than having a recently corked example, what is meant by this?
Decision making at CVNE over the years has been suspect. I tried to go back and find when Vina Real, including the GR, appears to have jumped the shark (maybe 01), but I couldn't find the info quickly. If you are inclined to like classic Rioja, these days I'd stick to Imperial or back buy VR.
If Manuel is reading and so inclined, he may provide more info. Or Kane might have an opinion.
Agreed. I've experimented with a cast iron dutch oven and ceramic cloche and find the results similar but the latter far easier to work with.originally posted by Cliff:
The covered pot, made famous by Jim Lahey, is the secret. It effectively steams the bread. It's the only way to get a real crust at home.
Why does it take longer to bake with wild yeast? My problem was I ran out of ripe wild yeast.