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Southern Rhone wines thread
- Thread starter Levi Dalton
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originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I have opened a handful of 1998 CNDP in recent years, and in general have been disappointed in their evolution.
Yeah, it's interesting...not the glorious vintage it was supposed to be. Generally, I've preferred 99, and certainly 01. The one I really love is 96 but it's been a while...they all disappeared.
I've not really kept current on S. Rhone vintages, what's good on deck?
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by BJ:
I do wonder if the 95s will come around...
I think they have come around as much as they will.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by BJ:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I have opened a handful of 1998 CNDP in recent years, and in general have been disappointed in their evolution.
Yeah, it's interesting...not the glorious vintage it was supposed to be. Generally, I've preferred 99, and certainly 01. The one I really love is 96 but it's been a while...they all disappeared.
I've not really kept current on S. Rhone vintages, what's good on deck?
99 and 01 were some of the highlights of a Pegau vertical a couple years ago.
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I have opened a handful of 1998 CNDP in recent years, and in general have been disappointed in their evolution.
Opened another bottle 09/17/15: Magenta-hued color; bouquet slightly spicy and heavy stones, mud fruits; taste was quiet at first, then deepened into stony rusty fruits and smooth brittle stones; very nice wine, balanced, seemed gentled, harmonious. Drank with slow-roasted goat clay pot; nice but it didn't sing together.
Inspired by this thread I dug about in my disorganized cellar and found a bottle of 2001 CdP from Chante Perdrix. I would say "like a great Manhattan" was an apt description.
At first it seemed a bit hot to me, but then alcohol levels aren't a problem if the model is a Manhattan, and about half of what I drink is Mosel Riesling, so I'm a bit sensitive to 14.5% alcohol. I loved the leather and dried flowers nose on this wine. While it might have flirted with tasting like cassis fruit roll-up, it nicely avoided veering in that direction.
I remembered really being taken by Chante Perdrix back when I was buying CdP, particularly because of the great nose, an earthy character, and being lighter on its feet than many other CdP at the lower end of the price range. Wine-searcher makes me believe that recent vintages haven't been imported to the States?
I would say that this single data point supports the general vintage recommendations mentioned above.
originally posted by BJ:
I find old Chateauneuf to be one of the most comforting things possible. It's a bit like a great Manhattan.
At first it seemed a bit hot to me, but then alcohol levels aren't a problem if the model is a Manhattan, and about half of what I drink is Mosel Riesling, so I'm a bit sensitive to 14.5% alcohol. I loved the leather and dried flowers nose on this wine. While it might have flirted with tasting like cassis fruit roll-up, it nicely avoided veering in that direction.
I remembered really being taken by Chante Perdrix back when I was buying CdP, particularly because of the great nose, an earthy character, and being lighter on its feet than many other CdP at the lower end of the price range. Wine-searcher makes me believe that recent vintages haven't been imported to the States?
I would say that this single data point supports the general vintage recommendations mentioned above.
originally posted by BJ:
I've preferred 99, and certainly 01.
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
99 and 01 were some of the highlights of a Pegau vertical a couple years ago.
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I'm with BJ on 95, a wildly overrated vintage. Some have been nice. The Clos des Papes, the VT and VD both have provided pleasure. And even Pegau has become OK in a restrained, austere, grande dame sort of way. But I can't think of a 95 to which I didn't prefer the same wineries 94 in cases where I tasted both.
As I've said when this has come up in the past, I disagree. My typical go to CDPs when I was buying them were Beaucastel, VT, VD, Clos des Papes and Pegau. In every case I've liked the '95 better and feel they still show better than their '94 counterparts save for the Pegau. While the '95 Pegau showed beautifully in its youth, at some point in its evolution it took a wrong turn at Albuqurque. It really dried up and some bottles have also been completely overtaken by brett, or something bacterial. I prefer the '94 Pegau Reservee to it.
That said, the '94 Clos des Papes and VT are especially lovely and I certainly like how the '94 Beau has evolved. I much prefer how it shows today than in its youth. However, the '95 Clos des Papes and Vieux Telegraph are amongst my favorite CDps.
I know Jonathan and I have discussed this before, but I've generally had very positive experiences with the '95 Beaucastel, though have had a couple of dried out bottles that Jonathan has said for awhile has been his typical experience. Those have been the exception, not the rule for me. Also, it should be noted that '95 was the vintage that Beaucastel cleaned up their brett issues.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
It surprises me that Beau eliminated Brett as early as 95. I've always quite liked the 99 and thought of it as the last of the Beaucastel I used to know and love. Maybe it was the mourvedre that year since I had heard that they cleaned up in 98.
Odd Rydland
Odd Rydland
Me too.originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I've always quite liked the 99 and thought of it as the last of the Beaucastel I used to know and love.