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. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
"a la Segoviana" ...served on a guitar?
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As a teenager, I was once taken backstage to meet Segovia (who was not from the town of Segóvia, from whence this porky was sourced) and asked for his autograph. When I mentioned in passing (not) that I was a budding (cough) student of the hexastring, he wrote the following before his signature: Para un amante de la guitarra. Si sigues amándo-la, la guitarra te amará también. For those who don't speak Spanish, that means "Fuck off, nOOb!"
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
"a la Segoviana" ...served on a guitar?
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As a teenager, I was once taken backstage to meet Segovia (who was not from the town of Segóvia, from whence this porky was sourced) and asked for his autograph. When I mentioned in passing (not) that I was a budding (cough) student of the hexastring, he wrote the following before his signature: Para un amante de la guitarra. Si sigues amándo-la, la guitarra te amará también. For those who don't speak Spanish, that means "Fuck off, nOOb!"
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That is a nice welcome. (Imagine what Segovia would have said had you tried to merge Sauternes and Barsac.)
 
originally posted by kirk wallace:

That is a nice welcome. (Imagine what Segovia would have said had you tried to merge Sauternes and Barsac.)
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Take a look at the label images for 2009 Coutet on CellarTracker and you'll see that Coutet identifies the wine as "Sauternes-Barsac."
 
From wikipedia (and elsewhere)...

Chateau Coutet is a Premier Cru Classé (French: First Growth) sweet wine from the Sauternes-Barsac appellation located in Barsac, in the southern part of France’s Bordeaux vineyards. Chateau Coutet is one of the oldest Sauternes producing vineyards

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Barsac lies within Sauternes, and is entitled to use either name.
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. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
Barsac lies within Sauternes, and is entitled to use either name.
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Sauternes, the region, comprises five communes: Barsac, Sauternes, Bommes, Fargues and Preignac. Map:
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The five communes compass two AOC: Barsac and Sauternes. Only domaines in the Barsac commune have a choice of these two AOC. (Of course, everyone may use 'Bordeaux AOC' and usually do so when the wines are dry.)

So, "Sauternes" has three meanings: region, commune, and AOC.
 
I think Bordeaux AOC is required for dry wines. It looks like there is a lack of consistency in the use of Barsac v. Sauternes AOC in Barsac wines. For example, looking at CellarTracker, it looks like Doisy-Daene bottled some 2009 with Sauternes on the label and some with Barsac on the label, probably for different markets depending on the market's familiarity with Barsac.
 
Barsac is entirely within Sauternes. It has its own AOC but since it must meet the same criteria as AOC Sauternes, it can choose to label itself either Appelation Barsac Controlee or Appelations Sauternes Controllee.
 
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