Mixed bag of wines

[Yixin]

'61 Pio Cesare Barolo was dead. Oh well. '98 Penfolds 389 was still too oaky and probably too young. '02 Ostertag Riesling Fronholz has a marvelous creamed mineral nose but is fading on the palate. '97 Clos Rougeard Les Poyeux needs more time. Cauhape's '04 Symphonie Novembre and '05 Ballet Octobre were good reminders that the Manseng siblings are varieties that can turn out Sauternes-challenging wines. '83 Meerlust Cab Sauv from magnum tasted muddy and old but was nonetheless enjoyable in that idiom. Latest Krug MV not a patch on last year's releases; hold off until they work through their stock. '02 S. Esmonin Gevrey-Chambertin starting to drink well but hold - lithe fruit, good structure, positive portents for the future. Similarly '00 Tyrell's Vat 1 Semillon - tight now, will be better later.

And Mumm's Cordon Rouge. Dear oh dear.

 

[Thor]

'02 Ostertag Riesling Fronholz has a marvelous creamed mineral nose but is fading on the palate.

Already?

 

[Scott Kraft]

Latest Krug MV not a patch on last year's releases; hold off until they work through their stock.

Will it ever be as good under the new ownership as it was prior?

 

[Steve Edmunds]

Geez, Yixin, these notes are so... economical...good work!

 

[Yixin]

originally posted by Thor:

'02 Ostertag Riesling Fronholz has a marvelous creamed mineral nose but is fading on the palate.

Already?

And I was wrong. This wine is vibrant and full on the palate on the 2nd night, after I had put it on the cooking wine shelf. There's a lack of precision to it which I attribute to both the terroir and winemaking style, but by golly it's a good wine.

Actually, besides some Savennieres, I've never had a dry(ish) wine fill out this much with airing.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Yixin:

originally posted by Thor:

'02 Ostertag Riesling Fronholz has a marvelous creamed mineral nose but is fading on the palate.

Already?

And I was wrong. This wine is vibrant and full on the palate on the 2nd night, after I had put it on the cooking wine shelf. There's a lack of precision to it which I attribute to both the terroir and winemaking style, but by golly it's a good wine.

Actually, besides some Savennieres, I've never had a dry(ish) wine fill out this much with airing.

I had a 1995 Trimbach CFE that was amazing the next day after sitting in a glass all night. I could hardly believe it. Kept on going the whole next day.

 

[drssouth]

And Mumm's Cordon Rouge. Dear oh dear.

Forgive me but is this a negative note? (I took it to be)

 

[Claude Kolm]

originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
Economy of languageGeez, Yixin, these notes are so... economical...good work!

Talk's cheap, but even so, in these times economy is necessary in all facets.

 

[Yixin]

originally posted by drssouth:

And Mumm's Cordon Rouge. Dear oh dear.

Forgive me but is this a negative note? (I took it to be)

Yes. Dreadful stuff, even worse than VC Yellow Label. Had a superb Larmandier-Bernier Rose de Saignee on New Year's Eve, though - really lovely young Burgundy with bubbles.

 

[maureen]

originally posted by Yixin:

originally posted by Thor:

'02 Ostertag Riesling Fronholz has a marvelous creamed mineral nose but is fading on the palate.

Already?

And I was wrong. This wine is vibrant and full on the palate on the 2nd night, after I had put it on the cooking wine shelf. There's a lack of precision to it which I attribute to both the terroir and winemaking style, but by golly it's a good wine.

Actually, besides some Savennieres, I've never had a dry(ish) wine fill out this much with airing.

Illustrates that even the most experienced of tasters can mistake closed for dead. Happens all the time re: older Burgs - even to Yixin!

By the way, Yixin, time for you to visit DC - I need to clear out my cellar and I figure if you are at my table, we can plow through some corked bottles! Even without Robert present.

 

[Thor]

And I was wrong. This wine is vibrant and full on the palate on the 2nd night, after I had put it on the cooking wine shelf. There's a lack of precision to it which I attribute to both the terroir and winemaking style, but by golly it's a good wine.

That makes more sense. Both the recovery and the note about the limitations of the terroir and the winemaker.

And Nathan, I don't know why you'd be surprised by that performance from a Trimbach of such youth. It's pretty much the norm rather than the exception. It's the ones that show well right underneath the cork that you need to worry about.