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[MLipton]

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
... your 10-year old wants an iPhone on his birthday (today).

That's when you just say No. No 10-year old needs an IPhone.

I beg to differ. Our son got a used iPhone when he was 10 after an incident where my wife waited at a bus stop for almost 2 hours waiting for his school bus to arrive with no way to contact him (yes, his school district -- which manages to text us about every fundraiser -- should have notified us, but that's another story). He was a very responsible 10 year old who did well at school, so those factors were taken into account before taking the plunge. 3 years later, the experiment has proved to be a success and has enabled him to contact us on those occasions when plans change suddenly and we need to know. YMMV of course.

Mark Lipton

 

[Michael Lewis]

My two-and-a-half year old is already asking for a phone. Those parents who manage to hold out until age 10 are miracle-makers. (And no, he is not getting a phone at two and a half.)

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by VLM:

Do others follow my strategy or do you find a less focused approach more rewarding?

Like cows, men are meant to graze.

Cows are girls.

But I didn't say men were girls. I said they were meant to graze like them, treating each bottle as a separate clump of grass.

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
... your 10-year old wants an iPhone on his birthday (today).

That's when you just say No. No 10-year old needs an IPhone.

I beg to differ. Our son got a used iPhone when he was 10 after an incident where my wife waited at a bus stop for almost 2 hours waiting for his school bus to arrive with no way to contact him (yes, his school district -- which manages to text us about every fundraiser -- should have notified us, but that's another story). He was a very responsible 10 year old who did well at school, so those factors were taken into account before taking the plunge. 3 years later, the experiment has proved to be a success and has enabled him to contact us on those occasions when plans change suddenly and we need to know. YMMV of course.

Mark Lipton

See, this is where I think a "dumb phone" can suffice enough. I figure my kid has an entire lifetime of screen watching ahead of them, so why bring it forward. But like you said, YMMV.

 

[MarkS]

Oswaldo, what are the differences in the way the French cognoscenti view their favorites, as compared with the sommelier-tweeting class here?

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
... your 10-year old wants an iPhone on his birthday (today).

That's when you just say No. No 10-year old needs an IPhone.

I beg to differ. Our son got a used iPhone when he was 10 after an incident where my wife waited at a bus stop for almost 2 hours waiting for his school bus to arrive with no way to contact him (yes, his school district -- which manages to text us about every fundraiser -- should have notified us, but that's another story). He was a very responsible 10 year old who did well at school, so those factors were taken into account before taking the plunge. 3 years later, the experiment has proved to be a success and has enabled him to contact us on those occasions when plans change suddenly and we need to know. YMMV of course.

Mark Lipton

This is similar to how and why older brother got an iPhone at the age of ten, three years ago. And we could not deny his younger brother.

It’s the reality of kids coming of age in the 2010s. The benefits do not flow just one way.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
... your 10-year old wants an iPhone on his birthday (today).

That's when you just say No. No 10-year old needs an IPhone.

I beg to differ. Our son got a used iPhone when he was 10 after an incident where my wife waited at a bus stop for almost 2 hours waiting for his school bus to arrive with no way to contact him (yes, his school district -- which manages to text us about every fundraiser -- should have notified us, but that's another story). He was a very responsible 10 year old who did well at school, so those factors were taken into account before taking the plunge. 3 years later, the experiment has proved to be a success and has enabled him to contact us on those occasions when plans change suddenly and we need to know. YMMV of course.

Mark Lipton

See, this is where I think a "dumb phone" can suffice enough. I figure my kid has an entire lifetime of screen watching ahead of them, so why bring it forward. But like you said, YMMV.

But psychology has to be taken into account, Mark. Parents who gave flip phones to their kids reported that the kids failed to keep the phones charged (for lack of use) and so weren't available when actually needed. In contrast, iPhones stay charged because the kids play games on them. There is also the very useful "Find my phone" app that allows us to know where his phone is at all times, which has many possible applications.

Mark Lipton

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by MarkS:
Oswaldo, what are the differences in the way the French cognoscenti view their favorites, as compared with the sommelier-tweeting class here?

Alas, that I wouldn't know, I just keep running into a different sets of idols, though some are shared (Overnoy, Rougeard, Ganevat, Selosse, etc.). I'm sure the importer gauntlet has something to do with it, but I have no feeling for how the palate of the American natural wine buyer differs from that of the Parisian.

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by MarkS:
Oswaldo, what are the differences in the way the French cognoscenti view their favorites, as compared with the sommelier-tweeting class here?

Alas, that I wouldn't know, I just keep running into a different sets of idols, though some are shared (Overnoy, Rougeard, Ganevat, Selosse, etc.). I'm sure the importer gauntlet has something to do with it, but I have no feeling for how the palate of the American natural wine buyer differs from that of the Parisian.

I agree that the natural wine palates are probably not that different. Just a lot bigger critical mass in France and they are closer to the source, making it easier to get involved with the newest/most experimental names.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Michael Lewis:
My two-and-a-half year old is already asking for a phone. Those parents who manage to hold out until age 10 are miracle-makers. (And no, he is not getting a phone at two and a half.)

How about a rugged-ized tablet so Master/Miss Half Two can watch The Wiggles?

 

[Michael Lewis]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by Michael Lewis:
My two-and-a-half year old is already asking for a phone. Those parents who manage to hold out until age 10 are miracle-makers. (And no, he is not getting a phone at two and a half.)

How about a rugged-ized tablet so Master/Miss Half Two can watch The Wiggles?

We actually have an iPad loaded with age-appropriate games and Sesame Street episodes, but it is reserved for emergency use (e.g. keeping him occupied on an airplane). He does not get to use it whenever he desires. It is astounding how intuitive touch screens are to toddlers, though.

 

[Tristan Welles]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Plus, to my ever renovated surprise, some of the French producers that have near-deity status in the US (Clos Roche Blanche, Baudry, Puffeney, Pepière) are far less hallowed in French wine geek circles, and the reciprocal seems true as well.

I've always been fascinated by this as well. I first noticed it back in the 90s with Barthod wines. No one knew them or seemed to care which I found perplexing. The French really don't care about Pepiere or Baudry which is CRAZY to me. They prefer inferior wines with different stories and I think that's really the key.

I was going to post something about the price of Barthod's wine here vs Paris and then read your post. Ambassade de Bourgogne -- not exactly a discount retailer -- had Barthod's basic Burgundy for E20 or so, and the Chambolle-M for E40, maybe a little more. A 50% discount on Chicago prices.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Michael Lewis:

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by Michael Lewis:
My two-and-a-half year old is already asking for a phone. Those parents who manage to hold out until age 10 are miracle-makers. (And no, he is not getting a phone at two and a half.)

How about a rugged-ized tablet so Master/Miss Half Two can watch The Wiggles?

We actually have an iPad loaded with age-appropriate games and Sesame Street episodes, but it is reserved for emergency use (e.g. keeping him occupied on an airplane). He does not get to use it whenever he desires. It is astounding how intuitive touch screens are to toddlers, though.

This. Our 14 month old can seemingly navigate an iphone. Sort of. I often find them not intuitive. It's bizarre.

Before I was a dad I used to say that I'd never let my kids have screen time, etc. etc. Well fast forward to reality and sometimes it's the only way to get our 5 year old to STFU and leave us alone for just a minute. It's nowhere near unlimited, but much different than I anticipated. I feel better that recent research has allayed the alarmist early work on screen time.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Tristan Welles:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Plus, to my ever renovated surprise, some of the French producers that have near-deity status in the US (Clos Roche Blanche, Baudry, Puffeney, Pepière) are far less hallowed in French wine geek circles, and the reciprocal seems true as well.

I've always been fascinated by this as well. I first noticed it back in the 90s with Barthod wines. No one knew them or seemed to care which I found perplexing. The French really don't care about Pepiere or Baudry which is CRAZY to me. They prefer inferior wines with different stories and I think that's really the key.

I was going to post something about the price of Barthod's wine here vs Paris and then read your post. Ambassade de Bourgogne -- not exactly a discount retailer -- had Barthod's basic Burgundy for E20 or so, and the Chambolle-M for E40, maybe a little more. A 50% discount on Chicago prices.

Yeah, it's strange. I think that Barthod is too linear for the French palate. They tend to like fleshier Burgundy.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m pretty much done buying wine, full stop, . . . .

This didn't age particularly well.