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Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
I haven't seen a bottle of Gentaz-Dervieux at auction for quite a while now, but now at HDH: lot of two 750 ml, 1988 Cuvee Reservee, estimate $2800-$4200.

[That's around $70/oz, still well under the price of gold but more than quadruple that of silver. It's also about half of the currently high rate for white truffles and approximately equal to good saffron.]
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Price AlertI haven't seen a bottle of Gentaz-Dervieux at auction for quite a while now, but now at HDH: lot of two 750 ml, 1988 Cuvee Reservee, estimate $2800-$4200.

[That's around $70/oz, still well under the price of gold but more than quadruple that of silver. It's also about half of the currently high rate for white truffles and approximately equal to good saffron.]
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That's nuts. I dream Cornas won't reach those prices and then I wake up. I know when I move to Europe next year I will find the odd great wine on a restaurant list somewhere at non-US prices.
 
Jayson, I have DRAMATICALLY curtailed my purchasing of Northern Rhone wines from a formerly fairly active strategy...due both to perceived changes in style and pricing.

. . . . Pete
 
Tons of great trad Northern Rhone out there at the $50 a bottle mark. I don't even care anymore when one goes culty because there are so many others that scratch the itch just fine. It's not like Burgundy where terroir is so important at the most micro levels that being priced out of a particular vineyard is a huge loss. Although I get the impression they are priming for a big price hike on 2015 Levet, and that would piss me off.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by mark e:
...when I move to Europe next year...
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!!!

Our loss. But good for you (certainly on the wine front).

Where to? When?
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He's joining the set of Vikings.
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Correct. Norway (not exactly sure where, but Oslo part of the time). Sometime in the early Spring.
 
Wow. Well I take back the part about better wine selection!

Still, sounds nice. And plenty of delicious things coming out of those cold northern waters. (To stick to the gastronomical side of the calculation)

Hopefully our paths cross before then. Maybe you'll still be around for the triumphant Southern Jeeb Part 2.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Tons of great trad Northern Rhone out there at the $50 a bottle mark. I don't even care anymore when one goes culty because there are so many others that scratch the itch just fine. It's not like Burgundy where terroir is so important at the most micro levels that being priced out of a particular vineyard is a huge loss. Although I get the impression they are priming for a big price hike on 2015 Levet, and that would piss me off.
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Yup, and plenty at even less. I'm priced out of the Allemand and Jamet market, Benetiere is soon gonna be too $$ for me, but I've been really digging Rousset Crozes Les Picaudieres and Faury's St. Jo around the $25-30 range.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Wow. Well I take back the part about better wine selection!
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No, actually, the selection is excellent. And expensive wine is a great value, believe it or not. I drank Dauvissat Fôrets in a restaurant last year at less than 1/2 NY restaurant prices.

Still, sounds nice. And plenty of delicious things coming out of those cold northern waters. (To stick to the gastronomical side of the calculation)
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Yes. The fish and shellfish are great. Not a huge selection, but the quality is fantastic.

Hopefully our paths cross before then. Maybe you'll still be around for the triumphant Southern Jeeb Part 2.
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I hope so, too.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by mark e:
Correct. Norway (not exactly sure where, but Oslo part of the time). Sometime in the early Spring.
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Expensive place to live?
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It is a complex calculation. Rentals for apartments are relatively low, while the purchase prices are quite high. You buy electric cars, because gas and diesel are astronomical (and there are many disincentives including a toll to drive in the center city). Sure, income tax is higher; however, when you subtract out health care premiums and deductibles that we pay here, the cost of living isn't too different from where we are now (central NC) - and I would suspect it is less than NYC. Salaries at the high end are lower and service jobs are much better paid; there is less income disparity, as one might imagine.
 
This was quite good and interesting off the list at dinner last night: 2013 jean delobre la ferme des sept lunes st joseph. Classic violet, bramble berry. But also strong pink grapefruit aromas. High toned. Pure. Gained richness with air. Very good. I see that local price on the 2014 is $60 though.
 
originally posted by mark e:
It is a complex calculation. Rentals for apartments are relatively low, while the purchase prices are quite high. You buy electric cars, because gas and diesel are astronomical (and there are many disincentives including a toll to drive in the center city). Sure, income tax is higher; however, when you subtract out health care premiums and deductibles that we pay here, the cost of living isn't too different from where we are now (central NC) - and I would suspect it is less than NYC. Salaries at the high end are lower and service jobs are much better paid; there is less income disparity, as one might imagine.
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I was a tourist in Oslo for a few days in 2013. I have an unsettled impression: Beautiful parks and country. Not quite as expensive as Stockholm but still very. I ate the best salmon of my life there (and I can get really good salmon here in NYC). The Oslo train station was the only one in all the Nordic countries that had litter and beggars.

Do you have family or friends there? (I don't have a bead on your heritage from just your name.)
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by mark e:
It is a complex calculation. Rentals for apartments are relatively low, while the purchase prices are quite high. You buy electric cars, because gas and diesel are astronomical (and there are many disincentives including a toll to drive in the center city). Sure, income tax is higher; however, when you subtract out health care premiums and deductibles that we pay here, the cost of living isn't too different from where we are now (central NC) - and I would suspect it is less than NYC. Salaries at the high end are lower and service jobs are much better paid; there is less income disparity, as one might imagine.
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I was a tourist in Oslo for a few days in 2013. I have an unsettled impression: Beautiful parks and country. Not quite as expensive as Stockholm but still very. I ate the best salmon of my life there (and I can get really good salmon here in NYC). The Oslo train station was the only one in all the Nordic countries that had litter and beggars.

Do you have family or friends there? (I don't have a bead on your heritage from just your name.)
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The train station is very clean now. I was just there this past October. A few neighborhoods don't look like you could eat your lunch off the sidewalk, but those are exceptions. And though I've been there in summer, too, I rarely saw beggars or homeless people.

In any case, the Scandanavian connection is my s/o Molly, who has done research with Swedes and Norwegians for years and received an offer as a tenured professor at the University of Oslo (her position at UNC had no job security). We do have a few friends there, too, but I am basically going along for the ride - and hope to grow organic hops and raise the native Nordic sheep.
 
originally posted by mark e:
We do have a few friends there, too, but I am basically going along for the ride - and hope to grow organic hops and raise the native Nordic sheep.
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Sounds like an amazing adventure overall. Have you ever farmed or shepherded before?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by mark e:
We do have a few friends there, too, but I am basically going along for the ride - and hope to grow organic hops and raise the native Nordic sheep.
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Sounds like an amazing adventure overall. Have you ever farmed or shepherded before?
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Yes on the former. I went to ag school (I think you know that) and was a grape grower in Italy for many years and farm on a small scale now. No on the animals. I did attend a very interesting all day seminar, however, put on by the Livestock Conservancy - which protects rare breeds - in Virginia about 10 days ago called "All Things Sheep." Friends of friends in Norway fortuitously happen to have a flock of the Norse sheep (called Gammelnorsk Spælsau) I'm interested in.
 
Can't go wrong with sheep. After wool, you've got cheese. Sounds like a rather cool adventure. 'Cool' being the operative if you've grown soft by the Carolina climate.
 
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