A few over the holidays

Unless they are semi-carbonic, like Durieux, or sans soufre/whole cluster packages, like recent renditions of three Chandon de Brialles cuvées. But these are a drop in the ocean.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks for your notes. I wouldn't expect Ile and Lavieres to age like the Cotton crus, would you?

In any event, I'm cured of any temptation to open my 2005 magnums this year.
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Don't touch their 05s. I tried drinking village Savigny this year; beautifully crafted, but really needs more time. (Funny enough, they show well in Burgundy - not just at the estate but off the shelf at local shops - but I won't even try to explain why).

I think ile (and occasionally Lavieres) can age as well as the Cortons; they just aren't as complex most of the time. Marechaudes is certainly a good counterexample: you've find it more accessible than ile on occasion (e.g. in the aforementioned 98 vintage), but with a few more berries, spices, etc. in the recipe.
 
Ja; Marechaudes by reputation is a Carton leaning more 1er than GC, whereas Ile is a 1er leaning GC. The 09 Ile has pretty great potential.

Opened an '07 Bressandes recently, which was either too young now or just lacking enough fruit to go the distance - I imagine the former. Similarly an 07 Volnay Caillerets. I find the CdB style keeps things really lean until the wine is about ready to drink.

I've thought Lavieres has a reputation for being relatively soft, approachable early, but have only tried the CdB '12 young, and it was neither soft nor approachable.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
The youngest burgundy vintage you can get a mature-tasting wine from at the moment is probably 1998. Among the more lauded vintages, some 1996s will do it but you really have to go back to 1990. So, I figure maturity for burgundy starts in the ballpark of 20-30 years from the vintage date.

So nobody has to feel too bad if you're not backing up the truck on 2015s.
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This is an interesting view; I rarely see 20 years as a starting window for Red Burgundy (I imagine you mean something like 1er and up). It wouldn't surprise me, however; I also rarely feel I'm opening my Burgs at near full maturity.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Ja; Marechaudes by reputation is a Carton leaning more 1er than GC, whereas Ile is a 1er leaning GC. The 09 Ile has pretty great potential.

Opened an '07 Bressandes recently, which was either too young now or just lacking enough fruit to go the distance - I imagine the former. Similarly an 07 Volnay Caillerets. I find the CdB style keeps things really lean until the wine is about ready to drink.

I've thought Lavieres has a reputation for being relatively soft, approachable early, but have only tried the CdB '12 young, and it was neither soft nor approachable.
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Very atypical 07s from them. Mine take a good two hours to open, so I am waiting.

I can't recall 12 Lavieres at the moment, but I've tackled the 14 on more than one occasion, and it is formidably structured.

Points regarding Marechaudes vs Ile well taken, but M still has that Grand-Cru-Gevrey-put-through-a-blender complexity of the better Cortons.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Ja; Marechaudes by reputation is a Carton leaning more 1er than GC, whereas Ile is a 1er leaning GC. The 09 Ile has pretty great potential.

Opened an '07 Bressandes recently, which was either too young now or just lacking enough fruit to go the distance - I imagine the former. Similarly an 07 Volnay Caillerets. I find the CdB style keeps things really lean until the wine is about ready to drink.

I've thought Lavieres has a reputation for being relatively soft, approachable early, but have only tried the CdB '12 young, and it was neither soft nor approachable.
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Very atypical 07s from them. Mine take a good two hours to open, so I am waiting.

I can't recall 12 Lavieres at the moment, but I've tackled the 14 on more than one occasion, and it is formidably structured.

Points regarding Marechaudes vs Ile well taken, but M still has that Grand-Cru-Gevrey-put-through-a-blender complexity of the better Cortons.
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A bottle of the sans soufre ajouté 2014 Lavières last February was fresh and giving, and seemed less structured than the two Vergelesses cuvées (albeit the latter were from 2013).
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
A bottle of the sans soufre ajouté 2014 Lavières last February was fresh and giving, and seemed less structured than the two Vergelesses cuvées (albeit the latter were from 2013).
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I had the regular and sans soufre 14 Lavieres side by side. Night and day.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
A bottle of the sans soufre ajouté 2014 Lavières last February was fresh and giving, and seemed less structured than the two Vergelesses cuvées (albeit the latter were from 2013).
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I had the regular and sans soufre 14 Lavieres side by side. Night and day.
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Quite an indictment.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Ja; Marechaudes by reputation is a Carton leaning more 1er than GC, whereas Ile is a 1er leaning GC. The 09 Ile has pretty great potential.

Opened an '07 Bressandes recently, which was either too young now or just lacking enough fruit to go the distance - I imagine the former. Similarly an 07 Volnay Caillerets. I find the CdB style keeps things really lean until the wine is about ready to drink.

I've thought Lavieres has a reputation for being relatively soft, approachable early, but have only tried the CdB '12 young, and it was neither soft nor approachable.
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Tasting notes on 2001 Ile de Vergelesses, Pernand-Vergelesses bought at release and stored in cellar:
Opened 1st bottle 6/26/07 Color is brilliant light scarlet, fading at the edges of the glass into scant orange-pink rim; some transparency in the scarlet as fine misty unsolid notes; color looks scarlet/bright in natural last afternoon sunlight and looks muddier and more orange in artificial light in the kitchen, later. Bouquet is high and tight, prettiness with some sharpness, musical notes hiding, then lilting, like something hiding around the corner of a rock. Tasted bright and slightly grim with stoniness at first, stony ferocity of acidity and tannins; then musical movement suddenly amongst the rocks like a brook hidden among boulders in a mountain meadow. The wine/mouth stays a bit ferocious, though it is a pretty, quiet ferocity; not a wine with big body; more like fruit gnarled into tightness by frozen winds. It melds with dinner: roasted yellow potatoes, portobello mushrooms (whole) and yellow onions sprinkled with black pepper, olive oil, rosemary... the roasted/browned onion/mushroom flavors go well with the wine and soften the wine's tannins. Stays a bit short in the mouth but fruit is haunting the severeness like a tease. I like the wine a lot.

Opened the last bottle in (2017?) and it was slender and precise and cold, but lovely; a willow branch in winter above a snowy, frozen streambed.

Shorter note in 2017..... busy.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Nice note, Karen! (The long one, I mean.)
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OK, thanks, Jeff for your appreciation! Yeah, I am waiting on some 2002 and 2004, 2005 to come up with some longer ones again... let me know if you get there before I do.
 
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
2007 and 2017 notes on 2001 Chandon des Briailles, Ile de Vergelesses 1er cru
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Ja; Marechaudes by reputation is a Carton leaning more 1er than GC, whereas Ile is a 1er leaning GC. The 09 Ile has pretty great potential.

Opened an '07 Bressandes recently, which was either too young now or just lacking enough fruit to go the distance - I imagine the former. Similarly an 07 Volnay Caillerets. I find the CdB style keeps things really lean until the wine is about ready to drink.

I've thought Lavieres has a reputation for being relatively soft, approachable early, but have only tried the CdB '12 young, and it was neither soft nor approachable.
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Tasting notes on 2001 Ile de Vergelesses, Pernand-Vergelesses bought at release and stored in cellar:
Opened 1st bottle 6/26/07 Color is brilliant light scarlet, fading at the edges of the glass into scant orange-pink rim; some transparency in the scarlet as fine misty unsolid notes; color looks scarlet/bright in natural last afternoon sunlight and looks muddier and more orange in artificial light in the kitchen, later. Bouquet is high and tight, prettiness with some sharpness, musical notes hiding, then lilting, like something hiding around the corner of a rock. Tasted bright and slightly grim with stoniness at first, stony ferocity of acidity and tannins; then musical movement suddenly amongst the rocks like a brook hidden among boulders in a mountain meadow. The wine/mouth stays a bit ferocious, though it is a pretty, quiet ferocity; not a wine with big body; more like fruit gnarled into tightness by frozen winds. It melds with dinner: roasted yellow potatoes, portobello mushrooms (whole) and yellow onions sprinkled with black pepper, olive oil, rosemary... the roasted/browned onion/mushroom flavors go well with the wine and soften the wine's tannins. Stays a bit short in the mouth but fruit is haunting the severeness like a tease. I like the wine a lot.

Opened the last bottle in (2017?) and it was slender and precise and cold, but lovely; a willow branch in winter above a snowy, frozen streambed.

Shorter note in 2017..... busy.
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Nice note, Karen! (The short one, I mean). Very lyric. A picture is worth a thousand words.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Ja; Marechaudes by reputation is a Carton leaning more 1er than GC, whereas Ile is a 1er leaning GC. The 09 Ile has pretty great potential.

Opened an '07 Bressandes recently, which was either too young now or just lacking enough fruit to go the distance - I imagine the former. Similarly an 07 Volnay Caillerets. I find the CdB style keeps things really lean until the wine is about ready to drink.

I've thought Lavieres has a reputation for being relatively soft, approachable early, but have only tried the CdB '12 young, and it was neither soft nor approachable.
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Very atypical 07s from them. Mine take a good two hours to open, so I am waiting.

I can't recall 12 Lavieres at the moment, but I've tackled the 14 on more than one occasion, and it is formidably structured.

Points regarding Marechaudes vs Ile well taken, but M still has that Grand-Cru-Gevrey-put-through-a-blender complexity of the better Cortons.
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Have you had the Girardin rendition of the Marechaudes? I see it around from time to time and, when I do, I wonder about it.

I may not be relating my experience of the 07s with desirable precision. For some reason, I haven't been able to log into Cellar Tracker for several months, and, therefore, haven't been writing notes within a few days of tasting. It's the act of writing that etches the details into your memory. It's possible that these tasted better after a day or two, recorked in the 'fridge, imbibed cool.

General apology to all and sundry for misspelling Corton. How comes it to pass that I've escaped public castigation for this oversight?
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

General apology to all and sundry for misspelling Corton. How comes it to pass that I've escaped public castigation for this oversight?
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It’s a tolerant, forgiving community here on Wine Disorder.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
2007 and 2017 notes on 2001 Chandon des Briailles, Ile de Vergelesses 1er cru
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Ja; Marechaudes by reputation is a Carton leaning more 1er than GC, whereas Ile is a 1er leaning GC. The 09 Ile has pretty great potential.

Opened an '07 Bressandes recently, which was either too young now or just lacking enough fruit to go the distance - I imagine the former. Similarly an 07 Volnay Caillerets. I find the CdB style keeps things really lean until the wine is about ready to drink.

I've thought Lavieres has a reputation for being relatively soft, approachable early, but have only tried the CdB '12 young, and it was neither soft nor approachable.
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Tasting notes on 2001 Ile de Vergelesses, Pernand-Vergelesses bought at release and stored in cellar:
Opened 1st bottle 6/26/07 Color is brilliant light scarlet, fading at the edges of the glass into scant orange-pink rim; some transparency in the scarlet as fine misty unsolid notes; color looks scarlet/bright in natural last afternoon sunlight and looks muddier and more orange in artificial light in the kitchen, later. Bouquet is high and tight, prettiness with some sharpness, musical notes hiding, then lilting, like something hiding around the corner of a rock. Tasted bright and slightly grim with stoniness at first, stony ferocity of acidity and tannins; then musical movement suddenly amongst the rocks like a brook hidden among boulders in a mountain meadow. The wine/mouth stays a bit ferocious, though it is a pretty, quiet ferocity; not a wine with big body; more like fruit gnarled into tightness by frozen winds. It melds with dinner: roasted yellow potatoes, portobello mushrooms (whole) and yellow onions sprinkled with black pepper, olive oil, rosemary... the roasted/browned onion/mushroom flavors go well with the wine and soften the wine's tannins. Stays a bit short in the mouth but fruit is haunting the severeness like a tease. I like the wine a lot.

Opened the last bottle in (2017?) and it was slender and precise and cold, but lovely; a willow branch in winter above a snowy, frozen streambed.

Shorter note in 2017..... busy.
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Nice note, Karen! (The short one, I mean). Very lyric. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Funny how tasting something creates images of other experiences....
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

General apology to all and sundry for misspelling Corton. How comes it to pass that I've escaped public castigation for this oversight?
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It’s a tolerant, forgiving community here on Wine Disorder.
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Policy change! I missed the memo.

Kidding, but, historically, the board has been fairly merciless with suchlike mistakes. Anyway, even I, orthographically-challenged as I am, should be able to spell Corton.

BTW, where's Sharon these days. Seems like forever since I've read a post from her.
 
Marechaudes tastes and behaves rather like bordeaux and never seems to be ready in my experience. I think by far the best wine here is the Ile Des Vergelesses which really does need 30 years to show what it can do, which is to be sublime.
 
Thanks, Tom; nice to hear from you.

I've been buying Ile from Briailles and Dubreuil-Fontaine most years since 2005 (plus aux Verglesses Savigny from Bize, whenever I can afford it) so this opinion cheers me up. Plus, per you, I am better stocked for the out years than I'd realized, and my cellar is less irrational than I'd thought. It's a good day.
 
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