RTN: Final Loire 2/08

Oh, I don't know. Some philosophies are OK in my book. "We don't want to make wines that taste like whiskey," for example. "We're doing our best to stay out of the way and let the terroir express itself." You know, that sort of thing.

But then again, I like Souhat.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Oh, I don't know. Some philosophies are OK in my book. "We don't want to make wines that taste like whiskey," for example. "We're doing our best to stay out of the way and let the terroir express itself." You know, that sort of thing.

But then again, I like Souhat.
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Nathan would too if it had a different back label.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Oh, I don't know. Some philosophies are OK in my book. "We don't want to make wines that taste like whiskey," for example. "We're doing our best to stay out of the way and let the terroir express itself." You know, that sort of thing.
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The growing of grapes and raising of wine is a craft, thus having a rigid philosophy about it is not pragmatic and dangerous.

We may be in a semantic nit here.

But then again, I like Souhat.
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I don't. At all. Nor Dard & Ribo. Nor Colgin. Nor Pavie.
 
originally posted by john McCarthy:
originally posted by Thor:
Oh, I don't know. Some philosophies are OK in my book. "We don't want to make wines that taste like whiskey," for example. "We're doing our best to stay out of the way and let the terroir express itself." You know, that sort of thing.

But then again, I like Souhat.
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Nathan would too if it had a different back label.
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I love all wine with a down syndrome little Irishman on the back label...zing!
 
We may be in a semantic nit here.
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Likely. I suspect that we agree on most of the wines I might mention and why we like them, leaving the only difference that I think there's a philosophy to be admired behind most of them, and you wouldn't want to use that word.

But I don't think that philosophy = rigidity.
 
originally posted by VLM:
The growing of grapes and raising of wine is a craft, thus having a rigid philosophy about it is not pragmatic and dangerous.
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rigid philosophy....Does that also apply to ones' opinions about wine or is it just a negative when it applies to the process of making wine?
 
originally posted by john McCarthy:
originally posted by VLM:
The growing of grapes and raising of wine is a craft, thus having a rigid philosophy about it is not pragmatic and dangerous.
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rigid philosophy....Does that also apply to ones' opinions about wine or is it just a negative when it applies to the process of making wine?
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ding, ding, ding. I think we have a winner.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by john McCarthy:
originally posted by Thor:
Oh, I don't know. Some philosophies are OK in my book. "We don't want to make wines that taste like whiskey," for example. "We're doing our best to stay out of the way and let the terroir express itself." You know, that sort of thing.

But then again, I like Souhat.
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Nathan would too if it had a different back label.
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I love all wine with a down syndrome little Irishman on the back label...zing!
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That's pretty funny but have you looked in the mirror lately..? All you need is a Urethral opening on the top of your head and you'd be done. ;)
 
regarding the S02 issue, esp as it applies to shipping wine, it looks like an importer called Racines here is bringing in most of the "vin naturel" into Japan...and they are supposedly importing in temp controlled containers. i don't have an issue with the reasons for wanting to produce wines with less or no S02....as long as the wines aren't sacrificed along the way to the philosophy. after reading all the love here for the CRB wines and finally tracking a couple down a month or two back, i was surprised at how much of a struggle it was to find anything enjoyable about the wines. at best, they came off as unmemorable table wines and at worst, both the gamay and sauv blanc had very similar off putting noses (more brett than corked) which intruded into the palate of both as well. i don't mind challenging wines from time to time, but when a sauv b and a gamay are showing more similarities, due to off putting smells and flavors, and then one hears that these wines have zero S02 (specifically for the Japan market apparently) one is easily led to wonder about the risk of shipping such unstable wines. i don't know who imported the CRB wines i tried, nor if they were treated poorly after they arrived here (or it could be that CRB is just not for me...certainly another possibility) but i've contacted Racines and will try to stick close to their sellers and i do look forward to trying some of the Puzelat wines....
 
Racines is not only a large proponent of importing such wines, but the owner of Racines also makes such wines herself in the Loire.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Racines is not only a large proponent of importing such wines, but the owner of Racines also makes such wines herself in the Loire.
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domaine des bois lucas?

i'll take that as an indication of the likelihood that she's personally motivated to care about shipping conditions
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
regarding the S02 issue, esp as it applies to shipping wine, it looks like an importer called Racines here is bringing in most of the "vin naturel" into Japan...and they are supposedly importing in temp controlled containers. i don't have an issue with the reasons for wanting to produce wines with less or no S02....as long as the wines aren't sacrificed along the way to the philosophy. after reading all the love here for the CRB wines and finally tracking a couple down a month or two back, i was surprised at how much of a struggle it was to find anything enjoyable about the wines. at best, they came off as unmemorable table wines and at worst, both the gamay and sauv blanc had very similar off putting noses (more brett than corked) which intruded into the palate of both as well. i don't mind challenging wines from time to time, but when a sauv b and a gamay are showing more similarities, due to off putting smells and flavors, and then one hears that these wines have zero S02 (specifically for the Japan market apparently) one is easily led to wonder about the risk of shipping such unstable wines. i don't know who imported the CRB wines i tried, nor if they were treated poorly after they arrived here (or it could be that CRB is just not for me...certainly another possibility) but i've contacted Racines and will try to stick close to their sellers and i do look forward to trying some of the Puzelat wines....
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The Clos Roche Blanche wines that make it to the US are very good and as far as I know contain sulfites. Sorry you're getting bum goods.
 
originally posted by Kay Bixler:

The Clos Roche Blanche wines that make it to the US are very good and as far as I know contain sulfites. Sorry you're getting bum goods.
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it's part of a learning curve, I figure, Kay. it will be interesting to try some of these wine next time i'm in the US....or if racines can point to another seller here, i may try again.
 
racines actually put me in touch with a vin nature retail outlet here in kyoto they sell to who has a selection of puzelat, among others. they also told me their imported wines are temp controlled all the way to their retailers...and that the retailers they work with keep them in temp controlled cellars.

time to make a shopping list...

(Levi, do you read Japanese?)
 
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