WTN: Hallelujah dance

MarkS

Mark Svereika
Spring comes with a vengeance. Explosions of blossoms. Green everywhere. Popcorn buds. The warmth we sought all winter. Crusty bread sops up the leftover homemade soup. We have turned a corner, and now, summer is on the mind. And wines are drunk.

Domaine Digioia-Royer, Chambolle Musigny, 2008
Dark fruited, full and dark, with a fairly strong wood overlay. There is good material underneath, but would like to see this get incorporated more. 13% B+

Il Poggione, Brunello di Montalcino, 2009
Those Cellartracker folks who say this is 'browning' or has 'light tannin' are full-of-shit, as this shows the still fresh color of a young wine, which it is. Fresh and lively, with red fruits and floral aromas with a sweet-sour dimension to the cherry-raspberry fruit. Young but accessible. Give it another year or two, but no harm to consume now. A-/B+

Scherrer, Zinfandel, Alexander Valley, 'Old and Mature Vines', 2014
Perfumed black raspberries on the nose/palate with sour plums. Good acidity and balance, touch of oak barrel on the end. Young. 14.8% A-

Huet, Vouvray, 'Le Mont', demi sec, 2002
Still kickin' it's sweet ass off. Holding, but no more upside. Stasis. B+

Shaw Vineyards, Cabernet Franc, Finger Lakes, 'unoaked', 2014
Really weird color: medium-light red with purplish highlights. Sweet, musky tasting red fruits with mild tannins. Light for a cab franc, even if it is from the Finger Lakes. Almost gamay-like. 13% B+/B

Le Piane, Boca, 2010
A little closed at the moment, with tight cherry and red raspberry, tree-herbal roots, silty tannins, and a hard candy finish. Give it another 3 years. 13% NR

Quinta do Vale Meão, Douro, 2002
Thought it about time to check on this, as someone here mentioned it so. Perfumed plums, blackberries, dark chocolate and bitter aromatic roots. This is rich and opulent, nearly like a Cali cab that has balance. Tannin from wood and/or concentration still holds it's grip on the end. 14.5% This year, the blend is: Touriga Nacional 60%/Touriga Franca 30%/Tinta Roriz 5%/Tinta Barroca 5%. A-

Jaboulet, Crozes Hermitage, Domaine Thalabert, 2009
Yes it's rich and ripe and rather big, New Worldy, but it has slurpability in spades, actually feeling lighter than the stated ABV of 14%. Old school Rhone lovers, AVOID. A-

Clos de la Roilette, Fleurie, 'cuvee tardive', 2009
Yup. Crunchy red fruits, strangely feels lighter in weight and concentration the regular cuvee. Bit of rubber on the finish, and a slight mercaptan note. Merely 'good'. 13% B+

Donnafugata, Passito di Pantelleria, 'Ben Rye', 2007
Medium dark tawny orange color. Explosive orange-kumquat jelly aroma, fig paste. Unctuous. 14.5% A-
Not the most complex stickie out there, but man o man, the Impact...!

Forlorn Hope, Picpoul, Napa Valley, 'Haug Vineyard', 2013
Zesty lemon with a refreshing finish, almost Zotz candy fizz on the end. Bracing, light-medium weight. 12.06% Wish I could compare with Matt's own vineyard site, because I'm thinking the Napa location might be the better one for this grape. A-
 
originally posted by MarkS: WTN: Hallelujah dance
Domaine Digioia-Royer, Chambolle Musigny, 2008

Mark, Interesting to see something from this producer as I can't recall ever seeing any being offered. Pronunciation Digioia => Dee-Joy-er

. . . . Pete
 
I thought Hallelujah was a reference to the site being back and not victim to Albanian hackers. But it could also apply to your good bottle of Le Mont 2002 DS.
 
originally posted by MarkS:

Domaine Digioia-Royer, Chambolle Musigny, 2008
Dark fruited, full and dark, with a fairly strong wood overlay. There is good material underneath, but would like to see this get incorporated more. 13% B+

Funny, my only experience with this producer was with their ‘08 Bourgogne that I bought at CSW after tasting it in the shop. No wood evident in that bottle.

Il Poggione, Brunello di Montalcino, 2009
Those Cellartracker folks who say this is 'browning' or has 'light tannin' are full-of-shit, as this shows the still fresh color of a young wine, which it is. Fresh and lively, with red fruits and floral aromas with a sweet-sour dimension to the cherry-raspberry fruit. Young but accessible. Give it another year or two, but no harm to consume now. A-/B+
And, in other shocking news, the sun rose in the East today. Unless I know the author I disregard most notes on CT for just this reason. Too many Californicated palates that don’t understand secondary, let alone tertiary, flavors.

Jaboulet, Crozes Hermitage, Domaine Thalabert, 2009
Yes it's rich and ripe and rather big, New Worldy, but it has slurpability in spades, actually feeling lighter than the stated ABV of 14%. Old school Rhone lovers, AVOID. A-

Do you think this reflects the vintage or a stylistic shift at Jaboulet? Back in the day, Thalabert was a top Crozes and quite traditional.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I thought Hallelujah was a reference to the site being back and not victim to Albanian hackers. But it could also apply to your good bottle of Le Mont 2002 DS.

Ha! Point taken but I really have not found any truly oxidized Huets from 2002 (finger-cross). Perhaps this is dumb simple luck? I get the slight oxidative nature that old chenin can take on, but nothing totally shot yet. I hold this holds, as I still have about 8 or 9 bottles to drink from this year.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by MarkS:

Domaine Digioia-Royer, Chambolle Musigny, 2008
Dark fruited, full and dark, with a fairly strong wood overlay. There is good material underneath, but would like to see this get incorporated more. 13% B+

Funny, my only experience with this producer was with their ‘08 Bourgogne that I bought at CSW after tasting it in the shop. No wood evident in that bottle.
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I think wood follows the hierarchy here.

originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by MarkS:
Jaboulet, Crozes Hermitage, Domaine Thalabert, 2009
Yes it's rich and ripe and rather big, New Worldy, but it has slurpability in spades, actually feeling lighter than the stated ABV of 14%. Old school Rhone lovers, AVOID. A-

Do you think this reflects the vintage or a stylistic shift at Jaboulet? Back in the day, Thalabert was a top Crozes and quite traditional.

Mark Lipton

I don't know. This is my first Thalabert since a couple I had from the '80's, which - as you say - were a totally different style. I have a 2010 to compare this too, which might go into the que sooner rather than later. I think if you find these at a good enough price point, they may be buys, but I'd rather drink something with a little more soul.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
I really have not found any truly oxidized Huets from 2002 (finger-cross). Perhaps this is dumb simple luck? I get the slight oxidative nature that old chenin can take on, but nothing totally shot yet..

Lucky you. I wonder if the variation across drinkers is random, related to sourcing, or related to palates. As always, impossible to say. But all the better for you.

In the grand scheme of things I've not had very many 2002 Huets, probably less than 10 if I don't count bottles from on release. A few have been clean but most have shown varying degrees of oxidative character from slight to egregious. But the few clean ones suggest that the oxidative character need not be present!
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I thought Hallelujah was a reference to the site being back and not victim to Albanian hackers. But it could also apply to your good bottle of Le Mont 2002 DS.

Ha! Point taken but I really have not found any truly oxidized Huets from 2002 (finger-cross). Perhaps this is dumb simple luck? I get the slight oxidative nature that old chenin can take on, but nothing totally shot yet. I hold this holds, as I still have about 8 or 9 bottles to drink from this year.

You have. Your bottle was premoxed, just not all the way. The upside of perfect bottles of that wine is obvious.
 
There was a generational shift at Jaboulet in 97/98 and there was a shift toward modernity and commercialization.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I thought Hallelujah was a reference to the site being back and not victim to Albanian hackers. But it could also apply to your good bottle of Le Mont 2002 DS.

Ha! Point taken but I really have not found any truly oxidized Huets from 2002 (finger-cross). Perhaps this is dumb simple luck? I get the slight oxidative nature that old chenin can take on, but nothing totally shot yet. I hold this holds, as I still have about 8 or 9 bottles to drink from this year.

You have. Your bottle was premoxed, just not all the way. The upside of perfect bottles of that wine is obvious.

Well perhaps I don't seem to mind it. I Do like many Portuguese wines, after all.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I thought Hallelujah was a reference to the site being back and not victim to Albanian hackers. But it could also apply to your good bottle of Le Mont 2002 DS.

Ha! Point taken but I really have not found any truly oxidized Huets from 2002 (finger-cross). Perhaps this is dumb simple luck? I get the slight oxidative nature that old chenin can take on, but nothing totally shot yet. I hold this holds, as I still have about 8 or 9 bottles to drink from this year.

You have. Your bottle was premoxed, just not all the way. The upside of perfect bottles of that wine is obvious.

Well perhaps I don't seem to mind it. I Do like many Portuguese wines, after all.

Do you see Portuguese wines as more oxed than others?
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Do you see Portuguese wines as more oxed than others?

Not necessarily, but a recent experience with an Azorean white that was done oxidatively made me think of it. Plus, if you add in Madeira...
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Do you see Portuguese wines as more oxed than others?

Not necessarily, but a recent experience with an Azorean white that was done oxidatively made me think of it. Plus, if you add in Madeira...

Ah, but if you were to add in Sherry, then so would Spanish wines have that tendency, if you were to add in vin jaune, so would French wines have that tendency, etc.

I only ask because, overall, I haven't found Portuguese wines, or wine palates, to be any more oxitropic than others'.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Do you see Portuguese wines as more oxed than others?

Not necessarily, but a recent experience with an Azorean white that was done oxidatively made me think of it. Plus, if you add in Madeira...

Ah, but if you were to add in Sherry, then so would Spanish wines have that tendency, if you were to add in vin jaune, so would French wines have that tendency, etc.

I only ask because, overall, I haven't found Portuguese wines, or wine palates, to be any more oxitropic than others'.

Well, as you live in the Land of the Fathers, so I will defer to you.
 
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