TN: Juge Vertical in NYC (June 3, 2018)

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Obviously you’ve never met Keith. He remembers The Constitutional Congress vividly. Not to mention the advent of vinyl phonographs.
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But he was supporting the Articles of Confederation and wax cylinders at the time, right?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I support the highest possible fidelity to original meaning and original master tapes.
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No, you don't. Consulting master tapes is like consulting legislative intent. You should believe in obsessively listening only to originally issued vinyl, even as the information degrades, and interpreting its sounds as best you may.
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No, not at all. Why do you think they call it the master tape? Because it's the master (American Heritage Dictionary: "An original, such as an original document or audio recording, from which copies can be made."). The "originally issued vinyl" (of which there isn't even such a thing because no two are alike) is an imperfect copy of the master.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Hello, winebid
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A two-bottle lot of 2014 Juge is at $725 on K&L. Five bids thus far, auction doesn't end until tomorrow. Yikes.
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Closed at $725, so, still insane but not completely through the looking glass.
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Not sure what universe you inhabit, but totally "through the looking glass."
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I support the highest possible fidelity to original meaning and original master tapes.
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No, you don't. Consulting master tapes is like consulting legislative intent. You should believe in obsessively listening only to originally issued vinyl, even as the information degrades, and interpreting its sounds as best you may.
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No, not at all. Why do you think they call it the master tape? Because it's the master (American Heritage Dictionary: "An original, such as an original document or audio recording, from which copies can be made."). The "originally issued vinyl" (of which there isn't even such a thing because no two are alike) is an imperfect copy of the master.
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The question isn't what the definition of a master tape is but how the analogy, to be meaningful, works. What version of a printed document do you think is more perfect than what other version (eliminating issues of printing errors, etc.)? For the analogy of the master tape, which contains perfect information to be meaningful, it would have to the information regarding meaning that stands behind all those printed documents. Otherwise, as a matter of information, your cheap pocket constitution is absolutely as good as the original parchment document, which is, I take it, the strong point of originalists. Wanting something more will always be wanting something other.
 
One of my favorite things in the last few years was visiting Independence Hall at a very quiet moment and being the drafting room or whatever they call it and just how small it was. Made me think of a small town city council chamber. It was both very moving and good for perspective.
 
It wasn't really an analogy. It was more of a joke. Yes, your pocket Constitution is just as good as the one in the National Archives unless you've got one in Comic Sans.
 
I agree that there was no analogy prior to people twitting you about your views on constitutional hermeneutics. But since you gamely played along with the twitting, you were committed to playing along with the analogy.Now you've gone and ruined the while thing.
 
Just for the record, the 1983 SC ranges among the finest wines from the northern Rhône I've had. I agree there's bottle variation and annoyingly, quite a lot of corked bottles, especially among older vintages, which I'm surprised nobody mentioned. But when the bottle is right, it's just magical, as I've seen with that 83, and also 1980 and 1978.

Now prices are a different story, but I managed to buy a fair bit before the craze and even a few year ago we picked some old wines directly from the man in a visit with Eric Texier. I don't know what happened in 2015, but would be interested to hear. I have two bottles and gave one more to my friend Ignacio who sometimes pops in here. Of course I don't contribute much myself...

Cheers!
 
originally posted by Luis Gutierrez:
Just for the record, the 1983 SC ranges among the finest wines from the northern Rhône I've had. I agree there's bottle variation and annoyingly, quite a lot of corked bottles, especially among older vintages, which I'm surprised nobody mentioned. But when the bottle is right, it's just magical, as I've seen with that 83, and also 1980 and 1978.

Now prices are a different story, but I managed to buy a fair bit before the craze and even a few year ago we picked some old wines directly from the man in a visit with Eric Texier. I don't know what happened in 2015, but would be interested to hear. I have two bottles and gave one more to my friend Ignacio who sometimes pops in here. Of course I don't contribute much myself...

Cheers!
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Also interested in hearing the story on 2015. I remember tasting the wine from barrel 2-3 years ago and it was fantastic. The 2014 was selling in Astor NY for 75$ 18 months ago...I now do not see it for less than 350
 
One brief note from my brief time in the music business. The master tapes of my days were not really listenable in the way that LPs etc. were as they were 24 track and you had to mix them to get something to listen to. Now you all might know exactly what level to have each track at, but I kind of doubt it. The ur-record was the wax master from which metal stampers were made. See among other places here: http://www.stokowski.org/Creation_of_Metal_Stampers_from_Wax_Masters.htm

The records I was involved with were rarely large sellers so one metal stamper was usually enough, but hypothetically you could get multiple metal stampers from your wax master before you had to remaster...
 
I'm not a vinyl guy, but surely the wax 'master' you're talking about was made from a 2 track mixdown of the original multitracks, not directly from the multitrack deck?

See the faq on the Steve Hoffman forum (which is the Wine Disorder of remastering geekery - yes there is such a thing):

"Let’s start with the Master Tape. What is that?
"With few exceptions like special recordings made with only two microphones, the music released on CD by DCC Compact Classics was originally recorded on a multi-track tape machine. Instead of the traditional left and right channel like on a stereo, it began with two and three tracks in the 50s to up to 48 or more in the 80s. Each instrument or group of instruments is recorded onto separate tracks many times on different days or in different locations around the world. Those separate tracks are then mastered down to two tracks like on a stereo. This first generation mix-down tape is the actual original master tape of the album."

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