Foillard?

[twlim]

originally posted by MarkS:
Aren't most of the new age Bojo producers negociants to some extent? I don't think the Goddard's, Sunier's, etcetera all have their own vineyards, but I certainly could be wrong. Seems there is a lot of leased land throughout the whole area.

Dunno about the Goddards, but the Suniers at least are working with all their own fruit. They're certainly handling the viticulture and I'm 95% sure they actually own their vines but they may lease some.

I believe Cotton and Chapel are also working chiefly if not exclusively with vines they're actually working.

You can still buy vineyard holdings there without a gazillionaire backer.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

2017 Jean-Marc Burgaud Morgon Côte du Py 13.0% last night was not a hit. Fruit on the cherry side of the spectrum, with a mild lactic note and a fair amount of volatility. A newborn, of course, but did not seem promising.

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.

Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.

Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?

not sure. it's not a special cuvee as far as i know. the price was a bit of a shock even with a loyal customer discount.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.

Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?

If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.

Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.

 

[mark e]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.

Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?

If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.

Interesting. That wine is $35 here in Oslo - and that is with 25% VAT included. Some wines just benefit from less shipping costs and less importer greed.

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.

I'm guessing no Metras in your collection?

 

[fillay]

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.

I'm guessing no Metras in your collection?

Or Balagny?

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by fillay:

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.

I'm guessing no Metras in your collection?

Or Balagny?

please tell me you guys are joking

 

[VLM]

originally posted by mark e:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.

Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?

If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.

Interesting. That wine is $35 here in Oslo - and that is with 25% VAT included. Some wines just benefit from less shipping costs and less importer greed.

There is at least one less tier in Olso and that is about my wholesale cost.

I don't know that we should be throwing around words like greed, although importers are human. The US importer brought the wines in for years at significant financial risk when no one cared.

It's really anecdotal to me. I was allocated 3 bottles of the 2016. I've long since moved on to Descombes (although the wines aren't much cheaper) because I can actually buy what I want.

There are very few of these wines that aren't fungible.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.

Someone who uses the diminutive "Bojo" probably wouldn't. [smiley face] I think that the very best Beaujolais are worthy of that price. They certainly bring me a lot of pleasure, both hedonistic and intellectual.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by VLM:
Someone who uses the diminutive "Bojo" probably wouldn't.

I am sorry but an $800 Monty Rock is a no-brainer no-buy for me.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

Ditto for Madame Leroy's Domaine d'Auvenay Aligoté for $500 plus.

 

[mark e]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.

Someone who uses the diminutive "Bojo" probably wouldn't. [smiley face] I think that the very best Beaujolais are worthy of that price. They certainly bring me a lot of pleasure, both hedonistic and intellectual.

I agree (at least on the last two sentences I'm 100 points on those). We are drinking a lot of Brun Fleurie which is $30 retail (again w/that crazy amount of VAT included). I rarely get the same pleasure from Bourgogne rouge, which is often just about the same price.

As far as importers go, many are also their own distributor, so they do have one tier less in those cases, yet some decide they are going to mark up some wines much more than others. But I will take back "greed" in general. Many importers don't deserve to be called that.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.

Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?

If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.

Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.

Huh? My records show that I bought the '14 Foillards for 24.99 (Morgon), 29.49 (CdP) and 29.99 (Corcolette) and the '16 CdP for 31.99 and the '16 Corcolette for 34.99. Have prices suddenly increased so much?

Mark Lipton

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Madame Leroy's Domaine d'Auvenay Aligoté

that is some diminutive

perhaps LVMH will come up with one

 

[VLM]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.

Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?

If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.

Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.

Huh? My records show that I bought the '14 Foillards for 24.99 (Morgon), 29.49 (CdP) and 29.99 (Corcolette) and the '16 CdP for 31.99 and the '16 Corcolette for 34.99. Have prices suddenly increased so much?

Mark Lipton

Are those through Kermit or grey market? My memory of the cost was a bit high, but the Py would still be $40-45 retail.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.

Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.

Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?

If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.

Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.

Huh? My records show that I bought the '14 Foillards for 24.99 (Morgon), 29.49 (CdP) and 29.99 (Corcolette) and the '16 CdP for 31.99 and the '16 Corcolette for 34.99. Have prices suddenly increased so much?

Mark Lipton

Are those through Kermit or grey market? My memory of the cost was a bit high, but the Py would still be $40-45 retail.

Through Envoyer mostly, so probably grey market.

Mark Lipton