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Foillard?
- Thread starter Florida Jim
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Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.
Someone who uses the diminutive "Bojo" probably wouldn't. [smiley face] I think that the very best Beaujolais are worthy of that price. They certainly bring me a lot of pleasure, both hedonistic and intellectual.
Your virtual emoji is a sanctionable offense. I call foul!
I also call foul on (apparent) continued use of hedonistic and intellectual as if they are orthogonal concepts, reminiscent of he-who-we-never-used-to-name-outright-but-now-no-one-cares-anymore-if-we-do *ahem* Parker.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
originally posted by fillay:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.
I'm guessing no Metras in your collection?
Or Balagny?
I bought a bottle of Balagny Fleurie a few months back in the name of science that I’ll open soon. It was $45 list but discounted 10 (possibly 15) percent.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by fillay:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I’m sorry but Bojo at $50/ is a no-brainer no-buy for me.
I'm guessing no Metras in your collection?
Or Balagny?
I bought a bottle of Balagny Fleurie a few months back in the name of science that I’ll open soon. It was $45 list but discounted 10 (possibly 15) percent.
Let me know if it has v.a.
originally posted by VLM:
If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.
Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.
Not sure whats going on in your market, but I paid $39 for the '16 Cote du Py back in May here in the PNW.
originally posted by Brian C:
originally posted by VLM:
If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.
Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.
Not sure whats going on in your market, but I paid $39 for the '16 Cote du Py back in May here in the PNW.
No idea, my measly allocation goes on the list or in my cellar. That's just what normal retail would be if we sold it retail.
Maybe Rahsaan has been able to buy some from a local source that gets a much better allocation.
originally posted by VLM:
Maybe Rahsaan has been able to buy some from a local source that gets a much better allocation.
I didn't buy any 2016. I think the last vintage of Foillard I bought was 2014, maybe 2015. From either Russ (Caviste) or you.
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brian C:
originally posted by VLM:
If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.
Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.
Not sure whats going on in your market, but I paid $39 for the '16 Cote du Py back in May here in the PNW.
No idea, my measly allocation goes on the list or in my cellar. That's just what normal retail would be if we sold it retail.
Maybe Rahsaan has been able to buy some from a local source that gets a much better allocation.
Just to elaborate, when I looked into all the sources for my Foillard, I find that I've bought from Envoyer, Posner (at Grapes) and Crush. Pricing is roughly consistent between all three sources, so there must be something anomalous about your market.
Mark Lipton
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Just to elaborate, when I looked into all the sources for my Foillard, I find that I've bought from Envoyer, Posner (at Grapes) and Crush. Pricing is roughly consistent between all three sources, so there must be something anomalous about your market.
Mark Lipton
I suspect that Kermit's outfit is the explanation for VLM's higher pricing. They've got 2016 Foillard Eponym at $45 retail, and CdP and Corcelette are usually higher. As often, buying from non-Kermit sources lowers the cost considerably.
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brian C:
originally posted by VLM:
If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.
Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.
Not sure whats going on in your market, but I paid $39 for the '16 Cote du Py back in May here in the PNW.
No idea, my measly allocation goes on the list or in my cellar. That's just what normal retail would be if we sold it retail.
Maybe Rahsaan has been able to buy some from a local source that gets a much better allocation.
Just to elaborate, when I looked into all the sources for my Foillard, I find that I've bought from Envoyer, Posner (at Grapes) and Crush. Pricing is roughly consistent between all three sources, so there must be something anomalous about your market.
Mark Lipton
Let's be sure not to buy wine in NC!
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Foillard?While dining with a winemaker who was trained in and often travels to France, he mentioned that Foillard had become very much a negociant and that much of his output now is from that part of his operation. Frankly, he was a bit more negative about it - he had actually decided not to buy from Foillard any more, although escalating prices may have played a part in that decision.
Is this guy going to stop buying wine from his buddy winemakers from CA, OR or WA who are most of the time, negociants, strictly speaking? Or is this a special treatment for EU vigneron-negociants?
Amazingly I've heard this a bit too often lately, especialy coming from the natural crowd.
A lot of the US producers showing their wines in many natural wine faires are negoce only, which would be impossible for any EU negoce.
The word seems to have a slightly different meaning according to where and whom it is applied.
originally posted by Brézème:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Foillard?While dining with a winemaker who was trained in and often travels to France, he mentioned that Foillard had become very much a negociant and that much of his output now is from that part of his operation. Frankly, he was a bit more negative about it - he had actually decided not to buy from Foillard any more, although escalating prices may have played a part in that decision.
Is this guy going to stop buying wine from his buddy winemakers from CA, OR or WA who are most of the time, negociants, strictly speaking? Or is this a special treatment for EU vigneron-negociants?
Amazingly I've heard this a bit too often lately, especialy coming from the natural crowd.
A lot of the US producers showing their wines in many natural wine faires are negoce only, which would be impossible for any EU negoce.
The word seems to have a slightly different meaning according to where and whom it is applied.
You know the world is not fair, Eric?
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brian C:
originally posted by VLM:
If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.
Dutraive "Champagne" would be closer to $60, FWIW.
Not sure whats going on in your market, but I paid $39 for the '16 Cote du Py back in May here in the PNW.
No idea, my measly allocation goes on the list or in my cellar. That's just what normal retail would be if we sold it retail.
Maybe Rahsaan has been able to buy some from a local source that gets a much better allocation.
Just to elaborate, when I looked into all the sources for my Foillard, I find that I've bought from Envoyer, Posner (at Grapes) and Crush. Pricing is roughly consistent between all three sources, so there must be something anomalous about your market.
Mark Lipton
Posner offers good pricing on a variety of things, from time to time. I bought Foillard 13 magnums from him a while ago for about $50, though I've since largely stopped buying from him, for unrelated reasons.
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
2017 Jean-Marc Burgaud Morgon Côte du Py 13.0% last night was not a hit. Fruit on the cherry side of the spectrum, with a mild lactic note and a fair amount of volatility. A newborn, of course, but did not seem promising.
We went through three magnums of, I think, 2002 over the duration of about 10 years. Young, they matched your description here; the last, with probably close to 10 years, had undergone a lot of development, ditched the candy, and 'pinotéd' pleasingly.
Anyway, everyone knows that bojo = pleasure bomb, qué no?
originally posted by Brézème:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Foillard?While dining with a winemaker who was trained in and often travels to France, he mentioned that Foillard had become very much a negociant and that much of his output now is from that part of his operation. Frankly, he was a bit more negative about it - he had actually decided not to buy from Foillard any more, although escalating prices may have played a part in that decision.
Is this guy going to stop buying wine from his buddy winemakers from CA, OR or WA who are most of the time, negociants, strictly speaking? Or is this a special treatment for EU vigneron-negociants?
Amazingly I've heard this a bit too often lately, especialy coming from the natural crowd.
A lot of the US producers showing their wines in many natural wine faires are negoce only, which would be impossible for any EU negoce.
The word seems to have a slightly different meaning according to where and whom it is applied.
I'd go so far as to call the attitude insulting to the work of the farmers. Strikes me as fairly typical self-righteousness of people who fancy themselves "connoisseurs" but have no real meaningful connection to the work of production of food or in this case wine. That the opinion came from a winemaker is somewhat surprising.
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.
Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.
Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?
If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.
Interesting. That wine is $35 here in Oslo - and that is with 25% VAT included. Some wines just benefit from less shipping costs and less importer greed.
where is that damn "like" button??!!
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
over the last few days i have tasted two bottles of Jean Foillard's son's, Alex, Cote de Brouilly 2016. pretty wine. soft and elegant with pleasing cherry fruit. i like the wine but not the price. $50 on the shelf.
Wow. More than the father. Less of a track record.
Expensive land? Ambitious marketing? Luxury "reserve" cuvee?
If we were to retail Foillard Cote du Py at current wholesale with a standard retail markup, it would be around $50. That's where we are now.
Interesting. That wine is $35 here in Oslo - and that is with 25% VAT included. Some wines just benefit from less shipping costs and less importer greed.
where is that damn "like" button??!!
Almost nowhere when dealing with state monopolies, be they Scandinavian or Pennsylvanian.