Two Winery Visits in Lazio

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
Preparing for my trip to Lazio, I rustle up a few bottles from nearby stores:

Damiano Ciolli 2016 "Silene" - $24, only lightly tannic, decent acidity, intense fruit flavors (akin to blueberry but without milk chocolate or jam) balanced with a little minerality, light-medium weight, a friendly glass; Day 2: much the same but more earth and more grip

De Sanctis 2016 Frascati "496" - $15, it's white!, full and rich, kinda like Chablis can be, though with a much less prominent mineral streak; lots of smellies and a Fresca(!) palate; very gluggable, organic/indigenous yeasts/raised in steel

Andrea Occhipinti 2016 Aleatico Rosso "Alea Viva" - $22, tannic and flowery, works well at the table with a steak but I admit I am surprised: I expect a red wine to be earthy and minerally and basically a fruity form of the blood but this wine allies itself to the char on the exterior and the fragrance of fat that rises in the back of your throat; unusual but good; Day 4: much the same but a slight funky animal note is starting to show up, akin to foxiness and not pleasant

A nice profile of the Ciollis: click

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Excerpt from my personal travelogue:

SEPT 11

Up a little early and on the road to Cori. The trip is about half highway and half squiggly local roads. We're passing the beautiful hilltop towns of Valmontone and, ultimately, Cori.

Arrive at Cincinnato, at the agriturismo, at 11a. Giovanna meets us. She is a smart, stylish woman with definite ideas about wine and promoting the Cori region generally.

The front room is all windows and light wood, very comfortable after an hour of zigzag driving.

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We visit a few nearby vines. The nero buono is about ready to harvest; the montepulciano d'abruzzo is still changing color. We taste: the nero buono is sweet and pleasant although the skin is a bit chewy while the montepulciano is definitely more tannic and bitter.

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montepulciano

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nero buono

Giovanna says that 2018 is the worst vintage in 50 years: a warm winter was followed by 3 hard frosts; then there was a nice summer until August came, when it rained every afternoon. They pulled leaves but did not do a green harvest as Nature did it for them.

Moving inside, we visit a few representative barriques -- they buy only medium-toast Seguin, cooperative production is 80% white wine -- but we are not at the winery so it isn't long till all discussion of elevage is cut short and we head to the table.

Note: This is a paid visit, E15 per person.

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table before service

They have set us up in the restaurant... a huge table laid with six kinds of cheese, two kinds of bruschette, locally-made sottolio peperoncini and zucchini, prosciutto crudo from another nearby town, plates of toast & olive oil... and then start pouring wine:

Brut - bellone; Charmat method; full-flavor, yellow-fruit with earthy tones, doesn't make you forget about champagne but I'm happy to drink this

"Castore" - bellone; no malo; Giovanna considers bellone to be a "semi-aromatic" grape; this is also yellow (think slightly underripe peach and apricot) but lacks the pizzazz to make it really interesting

"Raverosse" - nero buono, montepulciano, and cesanese; this is the official DOC blend; modern, international, a whiff of oak, "Popular" -Giovanna, "Eh" -Jeff

"Ercole" - nero buono; beautiful, velveteen tannins, elegantly fruity, shaped but not marked by the barrels

Our one-hour appointment lasts 2.5 hours. We buy wine. I buy "Ercole".

Understandably, no one felt the need to find more lunch.

Inexplicably, however, to kill a little time between appointments, we drive to the Garden of Ninfa, which we know to be closed; Giovanna told us so. And it is closed. We drive back to Cori.

We arrive somewhat early for our 3p appointment at Marco Carpineti. Roberta rushes out to greet us but it is her lunch time so she rustles up some cold water and espresso while we wait.

And now it's time! We formally meet Roberta. She obtained her law degree but her heart is in food and wine and hospitality so she never practiced.

We visit a few nearby vines. The montepulciano and cesanese are spur-cordon trained while the nero buono and all the whites are Guyot trained. Carpineti have several vineyards at different elevations and they harvest, vinify, and blend accordingly. They pull leaves and green harvest. She also says that 2018 is a bad vintage, that they have lost a quarter of the crop, and some neighbors have lost as much as 40%.

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Guyot

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Cordon Spur

We briefly tour the winery floor but they are moving juice so we have to tiptoe around the workers and ultimately just get out of their way.

Note: This is a paid visit, E20 per person.

Once again, we are setup at a large table on a terrace with another (smaller) parade of local foods and their wine:

"Kius" Brut - bellone; Champenoise method; 2015 fruit, 12.5%; bright acidity, saline, I find the leesy richness distracting, long but only somewhat interesting

"Capolemole" Bianco - bellone; 2017 fruit, 13.5%; potent and fruity, with a saline note that appears long into the finish, "Pineapple" -Roberta, vivid and works well with the food

"Capolemole" Rosso - Roberta offered to taste the "Tuffalicio" which is a montepulciano/nero buono blend raised in steel (and which might show better on a hot day) but I choose this wine: 60% nero buono, 30% montepulciano, 10% cesanese, a portion of the wine raised in oak; the idea is to merge the nero buono 'cherry nose' onto the sturdy montepulciano tannins while the cesanese fills-in around the edges; and it's nicely done... a fine bouquet, medium weight, good though not great acids, could use more presence

"Ludum" Passito - arciprete, a clone of bellone that dries well; 2015 fruit; only very gently sweet, pineapple cream, very little marked by the elevage in wood, delicate and tasty

Grappa - nero buono; 42%; a remarkable spirit: mild, fragrant, sees no wood, well-mannered, taste is lemony but also some 'dish detergent fruit cup', I'm not a fan of grappa and I like this one so bravo

We chat and linger here, and buy wine. I buy "Capolemole" Bianco and the untasted "Kius" Rosato. This appointment lasted 3 hours.

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The olive oil: At both makers, they also grow and sell their own extra-virgin olive oil. They say everyone in central Lazio grows Itrana, a species related to Gaeta which is suitable both for oil and for eating. (The difference between the two is pit size: eating olives have smaller pits.)

Cincinnato bottles based on age: younger trees produce a lighter and milder oil. Giovanna is eager to promote EVOO production -- if you spend ten euros on a bottle of wine, it's gone in one sitting, whereas if you spend 10 euros on a bottle of EVOO, it will serve you for several weeks.

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Both makers have philosophy about who they are and what they do.

Cincinnato was founded in 1947 so Giovanna's outlook is one of cooperation across artisans and across disciplines for the common good.

Carpineti was founded much later and made their name on his forward-looking vineyard and cellar practices. Roberta recounts the changes in Carpineti's identity over the years: in the beginning, that new ideas make sense; later, that "this ain't your grandfather's bellone"; and now, that traditional and modern ways can work together (cue the Nzu cru (not inoculated, raised in amphora)).

Cincinnato feels a responsibility to recycle, to use green energy (the winery is covered in solar panels), to be sustainable. The tasting room is decorated with, and partly made from, re-purposed staves.

Carpineti is organic but believes Demeter to be capricious and inconsistent so they make no effort to become certified.

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Other wines on other days:

Pileum 2015 Cesanese del Piglio Superiore "Massitium" - dark, dry, not especially flowery but very grapey, fills the local slot of a Beaujolais or perhaps a lightweight merlot, crisp, good all meal long (affetatsi, cheese, verdure, cacao e pepe), E22 at a resto, yum

Spinelli 2017 IGT Passerina - this is the Val di Fara bottling, pleasant, white grape and raw almonds

Vignabaldo 2015 Montefalco Rosso - fairly lightweight, reminiscent of real sagrantino but not all that much, juicy enough to work at the table

Terre de la Custodia 2017 Grechetto Colli Martani - oily, musky, funky, doesn’t suit me; someone else says it’s chardonnay-ish

Terenzi 2016 Cesanese del Piglio - also lightweight, crisp, modestly tannic, this has a tiny but distinct note of iris, OK

La Tordera 2014 Prosecco di Treviso "Alne" Extra-Dry - fruity and vivid and just a touch sweet, a really excellent bottle for non-geeks to toast with

Poggio Le Volpi 2016 Frascati Superiore "EPOS" - malvasia di Candia, malvasia di Lazio, and a dollop of trebbiano, which is the usual recipe; this is weighty, somewhat fruity but also herbal and resinous, a bit odd but can handle oily/heavy food (think: gavi)

Tenuta Le Quinte 2013 IGT "Rasa di Marmorata" - cesanese/montepulciano/merlot blend; a red berry basket with a little dark earth, some vanilla and spices but overall mild, texture is too silky but this has the weight I want to accompany lamb and sauages off the grill

The "Rasa" was manipulated to be ready-to-drink: they toughen it with punch-downs every 3 hours, then soften it with micro-ox during the alcoholic fermentation, and finally fill it out with 5 months on the lees. Some quick post-trip Googling shows that other of these non-winery wines were also manipulated, most often with micro-ox to make them drink sooner.

Ferrocinto 2015 IGP Calabria "Magliocco" - dark, fruity, dry, that’s red wine all right, QPR is OK

Cincinnato 2016 "Arcatura" - all cesanese, simple and boring on Day 1 but acquires a bit of structure by Day 4, eh

Carpineti 2014 "Kius" Rosato - extra brut though you could hardly tell, this rose of nero buono is made by method Champenoise; vinous, packs some punch (as a blanc de noir should); no chalk, of course, but a hint of muskiness tries to stand in; shows fruiter an hour later
 
Sounds like you were well treated (you were paying, after all) but the wines were rather on the underwhelming side.

ps: we drank a bottle of the 2015 Andrea Occhipinti Alea Viva almost a year ago and I found it singularly bland.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Sounds like you were well treated (you were paying, after all) but the wines were rather on the underwhelming side.
Yes, treatment was very nice.

The top red wines were sold out at Carpineti so we could neither taste nor buy "Dithyrambus" and "Apolide" (the 100% nero buono cuvee). That was a shame and borderline inexcusable.

Anyway, it might be a little too severe to call the wines 'underwhelming'. These are varieties that Fame has bypassed, perhaps justly so, but I am interested in them for the sake of a new taste or to gain perspective on old tastes.

ps: we drank a bottle of the 2015 Andrea Occhipinti Alea Viva almost a year ago and I found it singularly bland.
Weeks later now, I remember it as an odd experiment, in the same camp as people who try to make dry wines from brachetto.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
...dry wines from brachetto.

Something I tend to like, actually. Notably from Correggia.

Haven't had these wines in a while but was eyeballing them from a local distributor. What's the current thinking on them, particularly the Roero La Val dei Preti?
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
...dry wines from brachetto.

Something I tend to like, actually. Notably from Correggia.

Haven't had these wines in a while but was eyeballing them from a local distributor. What's the current thinking on them, particularly the Roero La Val dei Preti?

I am not sure what "the current thinking" is on them, sorry. I don't even know what that would mean, really.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
...dry wines from brachetto.

Something I tend to like, actually. Notably from Correggia.

Haven't had these wines in a while but was eyeballing them from a local distributor. What's the current thinking on them, particularly the Roero La Val dei Preti?

I like Roero Nebbiolo but I haven't had this in quite a while. There may be some new wood to contend with. I'm no longer a fan of the Brachetto since global warming really cranked up the ABV, but I always liked the Arneis there. Some nostalgia too . . . I really liked Matteo; sweet guy. It feels like forever that he's been gone.
 
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
...dry wines from brachetto.

Something I tend to like, actually. Notably from Correggia.

Haven't had these wines in a while but was eyeballing them from a local distributor. What's the current thinking on them, particularly the Roero La Val dei Preti?

...I haven't had this in quite a while...

Ah! This must be what is asked for when someone inquires about "the current thinking."
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
...dry wines from brachetto.

Something I tend to like, actually. Notably from Correggia.

Haven't had these wines in a while but was eyeballing them from a local distributor. What's the current thinking on them, particularly the Roero La Val dei Preti?

...I haven't had this in quite a while...

Ah! This must be what is asked for when someone inquires about "the current thinking."

Yeah, something like that. What are the wines like now? It's been a long time since I've had any and they were brought in by De Grazia then and certainly squarely modern leaning, which is fine. If someone farms well and wants to put the wine in barrique, I'll judge the wine on its own merits. Rotos are another thing, though.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
...dry wines from brachetto.

Something I tend to like, actually. Notably from Correggia.

Haven't had these wines in a while but was eyeballing them from a local distributor. What's the current thinking on them, particularly the Roero La Val dei Preti?

...I haven't had this in quite a while...

Ah! This must be what is asked for when someone inquires about "the current thinking."

Yeah, something like that. What are the wines like now? It's been a long time since I've had any and they were brought in by De Grazia then and certainly squarely modern leaning, which is fine. If someone farms well and wants to put the wine in barrique, I'll judge the wine on its own merits. Rotos are another thing, though.

The Correggia Brachetto that I was speaking of is fermented in steel and aged in steel, no barrique involved.

For Roero Nebbiolo from a Roero based producer I would point you to Cascina Val del Prete or Giovanni Almondo. Val del Prete is more rustic and the wines can show some volatility and hints of oxidation, still really good though. Giovanni Almondo is cleaner in style, sometimes a bit strict/lean in mouthfeel with the reds. The quality of the Almondo reds is getting better and better every year, and it is something of a project for the younger generation there. Tom (no relation), who was working for awhile at Giuseppe Rinaldi, recently announced that he would be taking a job at Almondo. The Almondo family seem like good people to me. There is an interview with one of them on a podcast program I heard about once.

For Roero Nebbiolo from a producer based elsewhere, there are several good ones. Brovia springs to mind as one of them. Giacosa is another. Valmaggiore is a cru in the Roero.
 
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For Roero Nebbiolo from a producer based elsewhere, there are several good ones. Brovia springs to mind as one of them. Giacosa is another. Valmaggiore is a cru in the Roero.

Well hot damn, this does indeed seem to be 'current thinking'! The Burgundians are doing the same thing, infiltrating Jura and the Beaujolais.
 
I like Roero Nebbiolo but I haven't had this in quite a while. There may be some new wood to contend with.

What was to like about it before? Certainly the renditions are somewhat lighter than the nebbiolo heartland, probably because of the sandier soils, but then if you truly want ethereal neb you would go further north to the Alto.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
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For Roero Nebbiolo from a producer based elsewhere, there are several good ones. Brovia springs to mind as one of them. Giacosa is another. Valmaggiore is a cru in the Roero.

Well hot damn, this does indeed seem to be 'current thinking'! The Burgundians are doing the same thing, infiltrating Jura and the Beaujolais.

You were thinking perhaps that all of the Giacosa and Ceretto Arneis was being grown in the Barolo area?
 
originally posted by MarkS:
I like Roero Nebbiolo but I haven't had this in quite a while. There may be some new wood to contend with.

What was to like about it before? Certainly the renditions are somewhat lighter than the nebbiolo heartland, probably because of the sandier soils, but then if you truly want ethereal neb you would go further north to the Alto.

Well, I did particularly like the underlying fruit, but I assume your comment would refer to "really, it was oaky then so why like it?" I am not sure what you mean by "lighter," but the area has never produced wines that are that profound or complex, because of the terroir, but lighter, no. Alto Piemonte wines, as I've noted in other threads, were a totally different thing in the 70s and 80s, much more oxidized, rustic and exceptionally tannic owing to long macerations. What we have now is lovely, and I share your enthusiasm for them.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Gosh, in my book rotos are a lesser evil compared to barriques.

Absolutely. You beat me to it on your post. I see it as a relatively innocuous technique that you may or may not like. Do you see seed screens used in pump-overs manipulation?
 
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