TN: In the, um, "cellar" (Oct. 27, 2018)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
attendees: Marc, Ira, Don, Tse Wei + Diana, Halt, Jeff

The remnants of a Pacific Coast hurricane are blowing through town so of course this is the day we gather again at MWC's far-flung Manhattan digs.

Last time we had not enough bread; this time, every person brought bread. Tse Wei and Diana actually made theirs! Anyway, all is good, most of us are eating carbs and the breads are good.

Alas, without access to Dickson's we have very little fancy charcuterie on the table (though Halt brought a nice rustic saucisson) but we do have lots of cheese choices: bufala gorgonzola, La Tur, and two more open, and two more we didn't breach).

Add a pound of pistachio-infused "Almond Craze" and there were enough victuals to support a large assortment of wines:

Dauvissat 2007 Chablis GC "Les Preuses" - by far the most troublesome wine on the table: the nose is right but not nearly the volume and intensity it should have, the palate is hollow and flat for a while but with occasional flashes of seashell and chalk

Guiberteau 2012 Saumur Blanc "Clos de Guichaux" - chenin, very honeyed on the nose, wound-up tight and even slightly sour in the mouth, the question at the table is whether this will this ever unclench? (consensus: no); Don says that Saumur blanc, as a category, is in flux: long ago, they made sec, then switched to sweet, then gave up on white altogether (except vineyard Breze), and now are moving back, rediscovering the white vineyards and reinventing the sec techniques.

Prager 2001 Durnstein Kaiserberg Riesling Smaragd - wow, vivid, intense, long and golden, tastes like a wine half its age, da shizz (as some say)

Ganevat 2011 Cotes du Jura Chardonnay "Les Chalasses" VV - zingy acidity, very pretty cool-climate chardonnay (meaning, pear, not mango), only the barest hint of Jura twang, vibrant stuff

Hexamer 2003 Riesling Spatlese Sobernheimer Marbach - 7 745 028 005 04, late arrival at the table, clean and midweight, nice enough but rockin' no boats

Voge 2006 Cornas "Les Vieille Fontaines" - hand carry; youthfully exuberant but dead-on flavors of blue fruit and earth and a bit of spice, excellent bottle, drinking like it should

Breton 1997 Bourgueil "Les Perrieres" - another pretty wine whose only nod to its age is slightly rounded corners on its formerly bright acidity, the pyrazines are beautifully integrated, the wine is light-medium weight and supple, thank you to whoever brought this

Borgogno 1995 Barolo Riserva - hmm... nothing wrong but nothing right, either; slightly old barolo, occasional distracting whiff of tin can, either a lackluster bottle or not enough time to wake up

Dom. Diochon 2002 Moulin-a-Vent "Cuvee Vieille Vignes" - several of us comment that nobody seems to talk about this estate anymore... is it just not brought in on a regular basis?; anyway, this bottle has gone all pinote, transparently light and evanescent, beautiful but drink now

Foillard 2013 Morgon "3.14" - much chatter about this cuvee ("Is he still making it?") and this bottle: the nose is very stinky (like the sort of open sewer thing you can get in old Burgundy) but that blows off with some air, the wine underneath is medium-heavy weight, quite tactile, still robust and youthful cherry-berry, happy to drink

Dom. Bertheau 2010 Bourgogne Rouge - yup (outclassed at this table)

Dom. Lignier 2012 Bourgogne Rouge - yup (also outclassed)

Clos du Mont-Olivet 1998 Chateauneuf-du-Pape - earthy, low-ish acidity, some late-arriving pomegranate-plum fruit saves it from "yup"; looking forward to an upcoming jeebus, I will offer that I used to drink a lot of Clos Mont-Olivet (but not anymore)

Peyre Rose 2002 Coteaux du Languedoc "Clos Syrah Leone" - hand carry; beautiful, pure and typical syrah (almost N Rhone-ish), prominent aroma of nut skins wih sotto voce floral support; more, please

Foreau 2008 Vouvray Demi-Sec - Don says Foreau did not make his super-selection cuvee in 2008 hence extra goodness tumbled down into the other bottlings; rich, ripe, glyceral chenin, burbling along sweetly, counterpointed by crisp acidity; a very good bottle

Many thanks to MWC for allowing us to use their tasting venue for an occasional gathering.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

Foillard 2013 Morgon "3.14"... happy to drink

Given the pricing, this sounds like a bit of faint praise? But it also sounds like you thought it would show more with more age.
 
Thanks for the notes, Jeff. I was quite impressed by a 2013 3.14 opened a month ago, but it didn't have the stinky part. Guiberteau I avoid because of the oak, but this one sounds unegregious.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

Foillard 2013 Morgon "3.14" ... the nose is very stinky (like the sort of open sewer thing you can get in old Burgundy)

I thought open sewers only fomented in the Jura?

Peyre Rose 2002 Coteaux du Languedoc "Clos Syrah Leone" - hand carry; beautiful, pure and typical syrah (almost N Rhone-ish), prominent aroma of nut skins wih sotto voce floral support; more, please

Wish this producer was easier to obtain. They make great wines.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

Foillard 2013 Morgon "3.14"... happy to drink

Given the pricing, this sounds like a bit of faint praise? But it also sounds like you thought it would show more with more age.

Perhaps 2013 is the right vintage for transcendental numbers. On more than one occasion, I felt that the extra goodies this comes with weren't worth the extra alcohol.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Thanks for the notes, Jeff. I was quite impressed by a 2013 3.14 opened a month ago, but it didn't have the stinky part. Guiberteau I avoid because of the oak, but this one sounds unegregious.
With a nod towards Rahsaan: The Pi was certainly impressive but really kinda big and heavy for Morgon; hence, happy to drink (because it is beautiful stuff) but not sure I'd choose this one.

This Guiberteau did not stink of oak at all. As I said, the nose was very noticeabley honeyed and the mouth was "Do not open until Xmas 2028".
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

Foillard 2013 Morgon "3.14"... happy to drink

Given the pricing, this sounds like a bit of faint praise? But it also sounds like you thought it would show more with more age.

Perhaps 2013 is the right vintage for transcendental numbers. On more than one occasion, I felt that the extra goodies this comes with weren't worth the extra alcohol.

But as we all know, 3.14 is not a transcendental number. A conundrum.

I wasn’t that excited by the 2013 we had when Tomasso was in town. Others liked it more.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Guiberteau I avoid because of the oak, but this one sounds unegregious.

Since I will be taking the liberty of accusing our comrade of throwing out the baby with the bathwater on account of oak on many intellectually stimulating forthcoming occasions, it is only fair to disclose that I am in full agreement this time.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Guiberteau I avoid because of the oak, but this one sounds unegregious.

Since I will be taking the liberty of accusing our comrade of throwing out the baby with the bathwater on account of oak on many intellectually stimulating forthcoming occasions, it is only fair to disclose that I am in full agreement this time.

My CPU is not processing this statement. Do you avoid Guiberteau because of oak, full stop, or do you avoid Guiberteau because of oak but also think the reported wine is less egregious?

I haven’t had enough Guiberteau to form an overall judgment but what I’ve tried (and price) hasn’t made me curious enough to dig further. And wines of age will be the true test.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Guiberteau I avoid because of the oak, but this one sounds unegregious.

Since I will be taking the liberty of accusing our comrade of throwing out the baby with the bathwater on account of oak on many intellectually stimulating forthcoming occasions, it is only fair to disclose that I am in full agreement this time.

My CPU is not processing this statement. Do you avoid Guiberteau because of oak, full stop, or do you avoid Guiberteau because of oak but also think the reported wine is less egregious?

I haven’t had enough Guiberteau to form an overall judgment but what I’ve tried (and price) hasn’t made me curious enough to dig further. And wines of age will be the true test.

Pushing down all instructions to the CPU and expecting to get full answers is so millennial of you.

Of course wines of age will tell. But in the meantime, I pay close attention to what people produce in less than perfect vintages. Not impressed with Guiberteau's output: too ambitious, and oak is certainly a part of the problem, if not the entire problem. Taking the proverbial foot off the gas pedal and producing a lighter, quicker-ageing but healthy wine of great balance is not a lost art - just go taste '12 Gonon as an example, and don't forget to wear your seat belt.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Guiberteau I avoid because of the oak, but this one sounds unegregious.

Since I will be taking the liberty of accusing our comrade of throwing out the baby with the bathwater on account of oak on many intellectually stimulating forthcoming occasions, it is only fair to disclose that I am in full agreement this time.

My CPU is not processing this statement. Do you avoid Guiberteau because of oak, full stop, or do you avoid Guiberteau because of oak but also think the reported wine is less egregious?

I haven’t had enough Guiberteau to form an overall judgment but what I’ve tried (and price) hasn’t made me curious enough to dig further. And wines of age will be the true test.

Pushing down all instructions to the CPU and expecting to get full answers is so millennial of you.

Of course wines of age will tell. But in the meantime, I pay close attention to what people produce in less than perfect vintages. Not impressed with Guiberteau's output: too ambitious, and oak is certainly a part of the problem, if not the entire problem. Taking the proverbial foot off the gas pedal and producing a lighter, quicker-ageing but healthy wine of great balance is not a lost art - just go taste '12 Gonon as an example, and don't forget to wear your seat belt.

I’m sadly Gonon-less. And that ship has sailed.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Guiberteau I avoid because of the oak, but this one sounds unegregious.

Since I will be taking the liberty of accusing our comrade of throwing out the baby with the bathwater on account of oak on many intellectually stimulating forthcoming occasions, it is only fair to disclose that I am in full agreement this time.

My CPU is not processing this statement. Do you avoid Guiberteau because of oak, full stop, or do you avoid Guiberteau because of oak but also think the reported wine is less egregious?

I haven’t had enough Guiberteau to form an overall judgment but what I’ve tried (and price) hasn’t made me curious enough to dig further. And wines of age will be the true test.

Pushing down all instructions to the CPU and expecting to get full answers is so millennial of you.

Of course wines of age will tell. But in the meantime, I pay close attention to what people produce in less than perfect vintages. Not impressed with Guiberteau's output: too ambitious, and oak is certainly a part of the problem, if not the entire problem. Taking the proverbial foot off the gas pedal and producing a lighter, quicker-ageing but healthy wine of great balance is not a lost art - just go taste '12 Gonon as an example, and don't forget to wear your seat belt.

Drank a 12 Gonon Saint-Joseph last night and it was indeed a pretty tipple. Open, charged with blood and roses, no discernible oak or v.a., light tannins, fine balance and texture. Not more than the sigma of its parts, but a pretty tipple.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Drank a 12 Gonon Saint-Joseph last night and it was indeed a pretty tipple. Open, charged with blood and roses, no discernible oak or v.a., light tannins, fine balance and texture. Not more than the sigma of its parts, but a pretty tipple.

such a happy wine
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Drank a 12 Gonon Saint-Joseph last night and it was indeed a pretty tipple. Open, charged with blood and roses, no discernible oak or v.a., light tannins, fine balance and texture. Not more than the sigma of its parts, but a pretty tipple.

such a happy wine

Can it be happy when it can't be hedonistic?
 
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