Which Bordeaux to open?

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by evan hansen:
This may be too late to be of any utility, but it might be interesting to see a merlot-dominant right bank like the Vieux Chateau Certan next to the cab-dominant Pichon Lalande both from 1989. Those both ought to be in a good drinking window and might provide an interesting contrast and point of conversation as to how they compliment the meal.

What is the LLC, by the way? I'm having a hard time racking my brain for what those initials stand for. Just curious.

Leoville whatsisname

my least favorite of the three leovilles, by a mile.

even a bottle of the 45 in perfect condition in july failed to move me. that takes some doing.
 
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by maureen:
oh yeah what would you serve with David Leibovitch’s black fig/olive tapenade served with sliced watermelon radishes and other veggies - a bit of whole grain mustard, rosemary and garlic in there too?

Definitely not riesling with that. But (and you will excuse my alteration of the recipe, I hope), I'd skip the figs and then serve the same umami-bomb tapenade with 2017 COS Frappato, slightly chilled.

Well, the tapenade was made in advance so no altering. And no wines other than those in cellar. Opened 01 schaefer GH kabinett. The wine was quite nice. No idea about the match, I was too busy dealing with dinner.
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by maureen:
oh yeah what would you serve with David Leibovitch’s black fig/olive tapenade served with sliced watermelon radishes and other veggies - a bit of whole grain mustard, rosemary and garlic in there too?

Definitely not riesling with that. But (and you will excuse my alteration of the recipe, I hope), I'd skip the figs and then serve the same umami-bomb tapenade with 2017 COS Frappato, slightly chilled.

Well, the tapenade was made in advance so no altering. And no wines other than those in cellar. Opened 01 schaefer GH kabinett. The wine was quite nice. No idea about the match, I was too busy dealing with dinner.

Hmmm . . . I'm sure they were both very good, just not together. And no guest would be churlish enough to complain about drinking a truly great Mosel kabinett with age. However, not having much wine with age - with the exception of Cornas - I do buy a lot of current vintages. Even if your cellar has so many treasures, I'd really want to start with, say, a crunchy 2016 Hofgut Falkenstein kabinett trocken or a glass of Briords - or even a recent vintage of 11% gelber muskateller from Nikolaihof. Ya know, chacun à son goût. . . and all that. But what about the BDX report?
 
I went with the pair of Gruaud. No trace of brett that i could detect. Not sure why as I have certainly detected it in other bottles of Gruaud. Of course, I have owned these bottles since release and I have always had good storage.

Anyway, the 82 was much open on the nose, at least initially; you could smell the structure on the ‘86 (they were opened and decanted about 90 minutes prior to consumption - initially still at cellar temp and so needed warming up). I actually preferred the ‘86 once it opened a bit, but then, as a burgundy drinker, I like structure. Judging from the way my friends were drinking I think they preferred the ‘82 - but all of us agreed both were delicious. They were served with the rack of lamb, which I managed to serve rare-medium rare, a saute of four kinds of mushrooms, romanesco with brown butter and small potatoes roasted in duck fatperfect 750 of ‘86 Climens.
 
Had I read this earlier I would have suggested the 1986 GL and RS as they are both amazing now.

You can save the RS for if I ever make it down there.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
Had I read this earlier I would have suggested the 1986 GL and RS as they are both amazing now.

You can save the RS for if I ever make it down there.

I still have three, Jay! But that doesn’t mean you should dally.
 
originally posted by BJ:
I'm not sure I'd call Cordier funk brett. And I really mean I'm not sure.

and maybe it ain't. but back in the day (the lates 80's) they were always rife with sweet saddle leather, horse sweat, dry sunny may-morning vacant barnyard, etc. flavours that i love with lamb.

more than once, i picked the cordier wines blind out of a line-up based on this aromatic profile. others were startled. and yes, i mighta been lucky.
 
originally posted by robert ames:
originally posted by BJ:
I'm not sure I'd call Cordier funk brett. And I really mean I'm not sure.

and maybe it ain't. but back in the day (the lates 80's) they were always rife with sweet saddle leather, horse sweat, dry sunny may-morning vacant barnyard, etc. flavours that i love with lamb.

more than once, i picked the cordier wines blind out of a line-up based on this aromatic profile. others were startled. and yes, i mighta been lucky.

I'm sure. But completely get the lamb match, charred herbs and lamb fat is not a bad way of describing some types of brett. I can imagine how they'd echo and interact.
 
originally posted by maureen:
I went with the pair of Gruaud. No trace of brett that i could detect. Not sure why as I have certainly detected it in other bottles of Gruaud. Of course, I have owned these bottles since release and I have always had good storage.

Anyway, the 82 was much open on the nose, at least initially; you could smell the structure on the ‘86 (they were opened and decanted about 90 minutes prior to consumption - initially still at cellar temp and so needed warming up). I actually preferred the ‘86 once it opened a bit, but then, as a burgundy drinker, I like structure. Judging from the way my friends were drinking I think they preferred the ‘82 - but all of us agreed both were delicious. They were served with the rack of lamb, which I managed to serve rare-medium rare, a saute of four kinds of mushrooms, romanesco with brown butter and small potatoes roasted in duck fatperfect 750 of ‘86 Climens.

It sounds really lovely, Maureen! I'm curious how the mushrooms were with the wine you chose....
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by maureen:
oh yeah what would you serve with David Leibovitch’s black fig/olive tapenade served with sliced watermelon radishes and other veggies - a bit of whole grain mustard, rosemary and garlic in there too?

Definitely not riesling with that. But (and you will excuse my alteration of the recipe, I hope), I'd skip the figs and then serve the same umami-bomb tapenade with 2017 COS Frappato, slightly chilled.

Well, the tapenade was made in advance so no altering. And no wines other than those in cellar. Opened 01 schaefer GH kabinett. The wine was quite nice. No idea about the match, I was too busy dealing with dinner.

Were you completely happy with the tapenade-Kabinett combo? Figs make me think of something with more body; say, a demi-sec Vouvray.
 
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