Midweek 3 with VLM and JS

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Rahsaan

Rahsaan
Midweek dinner with VLM and John S and everything showed well, especially the human participants!

At first my 2012 Rebholz Ganzhorn Im Sonnenschein Riesling GG was pleasantly golden and mineral but a bit unformed in the mouth for my tastes. I found it much more appealing after several hours of air when it found its inner spine and was a lovely golden mineral salty streak of wine. Very happy to have more.

Nathan offered his 2008 Chevillon NSG Les Cailles with the preface that it was the grenache of Burgundy and thereby a good match with our third wine. However, this bottle was all about the pretty pinot bubble of resolved red fruits and the charming Burgundy fragrance. Very easy to enjoy.

1998 Charvin Ch“teauneuf-du-Pape was not my usual fare, perhaps years since I've last tasted a CdP. The comparative depth and alcohol were very apparent next to the 08 Les Cailles, but thankfully there was also that lovely restraint, perhaps somewhat acquired with age, perhaps somewhat always apparent. It's not my core joy but it was very fun and I was happy to drink it.

Good times!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Midweek dinner with VLM and John S and everything showed well, especially the human participants!
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I can't believe Monkey showed well. Sure, you can make him wash his face and comb his hair occasionally but I wouldn't hold out much hope beyond that. Though maybe Mrs. Monkey has wrought some wonders.
 
Interesting twist here.
Usually I hear folks say Charvin is the Burgundy of Chateauneuf.
It’s the last Chateauneuf I still buy occasionally and I like it especially in cooler, lesser hyped vintages.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Chevillon Cailles is not the grenache of burgundy! Maybe you could make a case for the Vaucrains.
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I think the man himself will need to explain.

Perhaps a certain "monolithic" progression is what he has in mind, in which case Vaucrains would most certainly not qualify.

Regardless, the 08 is unusual - way too much early dirt on display.
 
I'm not sure how Keith arrives at his reading of what Rahsaan says. He seems to be contrasting the les Cailles and the Charvin in terms of the higher alcohol and greater "concentration" of the latter.
 
RM: "Nathan offered his 2008 Chevillon NSG Les Cailles with the preface that it was the grenache of Burgundy"
KL: "Chevillon Cailles is not the grenache of burgundy!"
JL: "I'm not sure how Keith arrives at his reading of what Rahsaan says."

?? What's there to be unsure about?
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:

RM: "Nathan offered his 2008 Chevillon NSG Les Cailles with the preface that it was the grenache of Burgundy"
KL: "Chevillon Cailles is not the grenache of burgundy!"
JL: "I'm not sure how Keith arrives at his reading of what Rahsaan says."

?? What's there to be unsure about?
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Rahsaan's response didn't seem to bear him out. But you are right about VLN.
 
Great company and interesting wines to boot.

On the 2008 Chevillon NSG Les Cailles it spoke to me of red crunchy fruit, Nuit St. Goerges, and Chevillon. I had not had a Chevillon in a while and it remains likely my favorite dedicated Nuit producer.

I brought the 1998 Charvin as I still have lots of relatively old CdP and continue to drink and narrow those wines down to the producers I like. This I found to be fully mature, red fruited again but not crunky, and certainly the biggest wine of the night. Now, I do not find Charvin "Big" compared to the vast majority of CdP but in this company it certainly was the biggest. I quite enjoyed it.

The 2012 Rebholz Ganzhorn Im Sonnenschein Riesling GG is completely new to me and on of the wonders of wine discovery is simply enjoying new things that I know little about. My sweet spot for German whites is still Spatlese in general so I am still wrapping my head around GG. This I found quite nice, steely, and minerally. I know not that descriptive and only hint of petrol type aromas

All three bottles seemed to enjoy happy endings being pretty drained.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Chevillon Cailles is not the grenache of burgundy! Maybe you could make a case for the Vaucrains.
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The very notion that Chevillon Cailles is Grenachey is preposterous. Sorry Monkey. You’re wrong.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Chevillon Cailles is not the grenache of burgundy! Maybe you could make a case for the Vaucrains.
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The very notion that Chevillon Cailles is Grenachey is preposterous. Sorry Monkey. You’re wrong.
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To be clear, I've often (going back on the wine intertubes 20 years) that Chevillon Cailles tastes the way I want grenache to taste. It has a ripe, round fruitiness with spices to it in many vintages that I find distinguishes it among the Chevillon Big 3. 2008 wasn't one of those. This directly correlates with the grenache I do like to drink, Gramenon Mémé and Pascal, Charvin and Rayas. That kind of red cherry with spice is what I'm drawn to. A very focused style of grenache.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Chevillon Cailles is not the grenache of burgundy! Maybe you could make a case for the Vaucrains.
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The very notion that Chevillon Cailles is Grenachey is preposterous. Sorry Monkey. You’re wrong.
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To be clear, I've often (going back on the wine intertubes 20 years) that Chevillon Cailles tastes the way I want grenache to taste. It has a ripe, round fruitiness with spices to it in many vintages that I find distinguishes it among the Chevillon Big 3. 2008 wasn't one of those. This directly correlates with the grenache I do like to drink, Gramenon Mémé and Pascal, Charvin and Rayas. That kind of red cherry with spice is what I'm drawn to. A very focused style of grenache.
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Well-made CdP from northern vineyards will have this profile, thus Charvin and Rayas. There are a handful of others.
 
originally posted by VLM:
To be clear, I've often (going back on the wine intertubes 20 years) that Chevillon Cailles tastes the way I want grenache to taste.
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Every wine that's not grenache tastes the way I want grenache to taste.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Chevillon Cailles is not the grenache of burgundy! Maybe you could make a case for the Vaucrains.
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The very notion that Chevillon Cailles is Grenachey is preposterous. Sorry Monkey. You’re wrong.
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To be clear, I've often (going back on the wine intertubes 20 years) that Chevillon Cailles tastes the way I want grenache to taste. It has a ripe, round fruitiness with spices to it in many vintages that I find distinguishes it among the Chevillon Big 3. 2008 wasn't one of those. This directly correlates with the grenache I do like to drink, Gramenon Mémé and Pascal, Charvin and Rayas. That kind of red cherry with spice is what I'm drawn to. A very focused style of grenache.
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I commented in the other thread just now to Jeff’s defense of you but maybe Jeff was referring to something else from years ago, and I’m very confused.

In any case now I understand your point. And how it was not reported accurately above. I agree 100%. I would love Grenache to consistently (although it almost never does) taste like Chevillon Cailles, although apparently not this 2008 and although I would not call it ripe, round fruity with spices and leave it just there.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

Rahsaan's response didn't seem to bear him out [...].
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What response?
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Quoted in my response above, which Keith rightly objected to.
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Oh, you mean Rahsaan paraphrasing Nathan, as quoted by Keith. K. 'VLN' is a bastardization of 'VLM,' I imagine. Alles klar.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

Rahsaan's response didn't seem to bear him out [...].
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What response?
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Quoted in my response above, which Keith rightly objected to.
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Oh, you mean Rahsaan paraphrasing Nathan, as quoted by Keith. K. 'VLN' is a bastardization of 'VLM,' I imagine. Alles klar.
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VLN is obviously a typo. My apologies. The sentence I quoted to Keith--The comparative depth and alcohol were very apparent next to the 08 Les Cailles--does not appear to be Rahsaan paraphrasing Nathan.
 
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