Impressions November 2018

VLM

VLM
Lots of good wines this month, no great ones, some that have been great, but weren't this time. Definitely in the Marshall Manning zone here.

2012 Colombera & Garella Lessona Pizzaguerra - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Lessona (11/30/2018)
Pale red color. Nose opens with an ferrous eathiness. Bright red fruits and herbs and lots of other woddsy complex notes emerge as it opens up over an hour or so. Colombera & Garella are making some really interesting wines. We love both this and the Bramaterra. (92 points)

2008 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Cailles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru (11/28/2018)
Showing quite well with room for growth. Crunchy red fruits, less deeply fruited cherry notes than I've experienced with other vintages. The Chevillon fleshiness plays well with the structure of the vintage. Entering a drinking window, should hold there for a while and improve for folks who like different characteristics. (92 points)

2007 Antoniolo Gattinara San Francesco - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Gattinara (11/27/2018)
This was really good. I don't mind the modernity in the Antoniolo wines for some reason. I like that bit of polish. They also keep a good frame of acidity to stretch and lift the deep cherry fruit. Tangy, mineral finish. Doesn't feel as solar as 2007 Barolo. Drinking well now but should gain complexity with a few more years. (93 points)

2013 Davide Carlone Boca - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Boca (11/25/2018)
A new wine to our house stable of Alto Piemonte reds. Sappier and a bit fleshier than the more intense Piane wines. That mix of dark red fruit, blood (iron) and herbs that is becoming a calling card for these wines to me. While very, very good, these lack a little bit of the aromatic complexity of C&G and aren't quite as deep as the Piane. For all that, very, very good wine. (91 points)

2007 Le Piane Boca - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Boca (11/25/2018)
Not the best bottle of this, but maybe the food match wasn't great. Seemed tired compared to other bottles, although maybe it got too much air. Anyway, the corks on these bottles are soaked about half way up and I didn't get them on immediate release. The others have been substantially better, but I'd love to have a pristine bottle. (89 points)

2014 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc - France, Loire Valley, Anjou-Saumur, Saumur (11/24/2018)
Quite dry and linear. I really liked it but Steph was less impressed, she found it on the innocuous side. I think it has the structure and stuffing to age well. These are a bit of a PITA for me to get and not cheap, so I'll have a think on it. Still, worth trying if you haven't had it. (91 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

2017 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Blanc La Croix Boissée - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (11/23/2018)
Crystalline, pure and aromatically complex. Not the most concentrated on the palate but this is a beautiful wine. I think Matthieu is really mastering this wine. It's the best white Chinon, for sure. (92 points)

2014 Georges Descombes Morgon Vieilles Vignes - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (11/22/2018)
I like the 2014 Beaujolais vintage quite a bit. We had this after Breton Morgon out of magnum and it was an interesting contrast in styles. Descomes is darker with deeper fruit, more like Foillard. (92 points)

2014 Jean-Philippe Fichet Meursault - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Meursault (11/22/2018)
Delicious villages Mersault. Fichet gets a real; tension in the wines that I really like. Good spice added to the fruit with mineral acidity. (91 points)

2014 Jean-Philippe Fichet Meursault - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Meursault (11/22/2018)
So yummy, we drank two bottles. (91 points)

2009 Domaine Lionnet Cornas Terre Brûlée - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/21/2018)
This was out of magnum. Took a minute to get going and it could, honestly, use about 5 more years. It was one of those wines, and this has happened to me several times with Allemand SS, that seems to be ion a muddle and then suddenly just pops out of the glass and becomes something entirely different. There is still a good bit of chewy tannin down there under the dark fruit and syrah earth. I've had several wines from Lionnet over the past few years and they've impressed me. Nice to have a reasonably priced source of Cornas with typicté. (92 points)

2016 Monteraponi Chianti Classico - Italy, Tuscany, Chianti, Chianti Classico DOCG (11/19/2018)
Just like the last one. Delicious. (91 points)

2014 Sylvie Esmonin (Michel et Fille) Bourgogne Cuvée Sylvie - France, Burgundy, Bourgogne (11/19/2018)
I didn't have high expectations of this since Esmonin wines usually take a while to show well. It looks like the vintage was kind to this wine. Midweight with sappy fruit and a bit of complexity. Should improve with a year or two, but it's nice to be able to drink it now. (90 points)

1998 Domaine Jean-Louis Chave Hermitage - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Hermitage (11/17/2018)
Not the best showing for this wine, but definitely the nest Burgundy we had on the night. Really weightless and aromatically complex with all of the flavors laced over a taught structure of fine tannin and acid spine. I've had better bottles that hit the upper register of what syrah is capable of and while this was the best wine of the night, it wasn't the best of this wine. (94 points)

1998 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/17/2018)
Good, but not the experience I was hoping for. Paired with the 1998 Chave, this was distinctly less of a wine. Signature Allemand Reynards was there, but it was showing a bit rustic and muted. I guess I'll wait a few years or sell them for $500. (91 points)

1999 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Saint Georges - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru (11/17/2018)
Really good and maybe I would have enjoyed it more by itself on another night. Like the Chave and Allemand, not the best bottle I've had of this. Paired with the Vaucrains it was easier and more enjoyable, but wasn't the kaleidoscopically complex wine it has been. The fruit was a bit stunted as well. (91 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/13/2018)
This is hitting a nice stride and paying off on its early promise. The fruit shades towards the darker end of red with some kind of currant/black cherry thing wrapped in earth and with touches of leather and dark soil tones. Mid-weight with the structure starting to harmonize. I got worried about this wine for a minute so it is nice to see it come through. You can tuck into this if you want or wait for a couple more years for it to unwind further. (92 points)

2014 Hobo Wine Company Grenache Sceales Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Alexander Valley (11/12/2018)
My favorite domestic grenache. Although that sounds like damning with faint praise, I really like this wine. Bright red fruit on the nose, garrigue type herbs, so it isn't a thing to do with region. It's a bit closed and on the medicinal side, but I like the structure of the wine. 3-5 more years before opening another bottle. (90 points)

2015 Domaine Georges Mugneret-Gibourg Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Chaignots - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru (11/10/2018)
Baby killer! This was awesome. Svelte but with real density of fruit. Mugneret Chaignots never lets me down. Sure, it'll be better in a few years, but fuck waiting for everything. I'm going to start embracing the joys of youngish Burgundy. (93 points)

2014 Domaine Jean-Marc Pillot Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Vergers Clos Saint-Marc - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru (11/9/2018)
This was great. Excellent purity and bracing minerality. Hints of flowers, yellow fruits, pears and only the deftest hint of oak. Needs a few more years, for sure. These wines have dramatically changed in style from when I used to buy them in the 90s. The whole range is good and this is as good a Chassagne as one is likely to try. (92 points)

2016 Hofgut Falkenstein Niedermenniger Herrenberg Riesling Kabinett trocken - Germany, Mosel Saar Ruwer (11/9/2018)
Laser face. (91 points)

2014 Domaine Fourrier Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Combes aux Moines Vieille Vigne - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru (11/9/2018)
Fuck you Jean-Marie and your fucking root day. Super angry at me for opening. I get it. I mean, all the components are there in little micro-flashes, then gone. Don't touch for a while and hope history repeats. Generally, I find Fourrier wines more generous than this, but I don't recall young Combes aux Moines. (90 points)

2014 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (11/9/2018)
Bummer, grumpy bottle. Pleasant enough, but I expected more and have had better bottles. Fuck you root day. (90 points)

2015 Gilbert Picq & ses Fils Chablis Dessus La Carriere - France, Burgundy, Chablis (11/9/2018)
No change. Good wine. (90 points)

2016 Bruno Duchêne Collioure La Pascole - France, Languedoc Roussillon, Roussillon, Collioure (11/9/2018)
I think this needs more time. Never really popped the way other bottles have. All the components are there, they just don't want to come out. It was a night with a lot of that. Fucking root days. (90 points)

2010 Domaine de la Bongran (Thevenet) Viré-Clessé Cuvée E. J. Thevenet - France, Burgundy, M“connais, Viré-Clessé (11/6/2018)
A great version of this wine. Maybe not as graceful as the 2008 among recent vintages, but really graceful and balanced (for a 14% chardonnay with a bit of botrytis, that is). This wine isn't for everyone, but it really delights me. Great with soft ripened cheese of all sorts. (93 points)

1994 Ch“teau Pradeaux Bandol La Rose Folle - France, Provence, Bandol (11/6/2018)
This could be mistaken for nothing else. Pradeaux makes an uncompromising style of wine that you either like or don't (Steph doesn't). Chewy tannin, leathery dark fruit. We did get that hint of Provencal lavender that I love and that note of tree bark that I associate with their mourvèdre. This is a 24 year old wine that seems positively infantile. I can only think of two occasions, bottles 1982 and 1985, when I've had a resolved Pradeaux. I did have bottles of 1991 and 2006 that showed pretty well young, mostly though, young Pradeaux is a mouthful of sand. I don't have another bottle, so who the hell knows when this will be at peak. It was still enjoyable, but intense and chewy. Did I mention the chewy tannin? (92 points)

2013 Kistler Chardonnay Durell Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast (11/6/2018)
We have some Kistler that Steph's dad sent us and are working our way through it. Not a particularly interesting wine. Certainly well made with high quality wood framing, but boring. Might have been better if it were all buttery and obnoxiously Californian instead of being so polite. (89 points)

2016 Monteraponi Chianti Classico - Italy, Tuscany, Chianti, Chianti Classico DOCG (11/5/2018)
In keeping with previous bottles, delicious sangiovese. I think the Radda terroir lifts the fruit which has the leatheryness of Felsina's Berardenga without the rusticity. Not the cheapest CC, but if you can get it under $30, solid value. (91 points)

2015 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (11/4/2018)
Nope. Really good stuffing but in no mood to play with me today. Left on the counter it was better the next day and didn't fall apart after several days just sitting out. Will be a good vintage of this wine in time. (91 points)

2016 Domaine Gramenon Côtes du Rhône Poignee de Raisins - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Côtes du Rhône (11/4/2018)
I love it when a wine is exactly what I want it to be. Supple texture, generous fruit layered with the tastes of southern France. The kids are making killer wine at Gramenon. (91 points)

2013 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Volnay 1er Cru Les Angles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Volnay 1er Cru (11/4/2018)
At first I was psyched, velvety, crunchy Volnay fruit popped right out. Then it slapped me in the face and closed right up. Yields in 2013 were tiny and you can feel the coiled density. At least 5 years and 10 is probably for the best. (90 points)

2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Blanc La Croix Boissée - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (11/1/2018)
From the basic Chinon blanc to this bottling, Matthieu seems to be mastering this grape. From a part of Croix Boissée where it was so full of limestone that the franc wouldn't grow. The 2016 is rich and dense but framed with stones. Sometimes this wine can be thrustingly mineral, but this is more rock walls around a yellow fruit stream with flowers and honeysuckle growing on the banks. I still haven't figured out the aging curve for these, but who cares, really? (92 points)
 
originally posted by VLM:

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/13/2018)
This is hitting a nice stride and paying off on its early promise. The fruit shades towards the darker end of red with some kind of currant/black cherry thing wrapped in earth and with touches of leather and dark soil tones. Mid-weight with the structure starting to harmonize. I got worried about this wine for a minute so it is nice to see it come through. You can tuck into this if you want or wait for a couple more years for it to unwind further. (92 points)

That is promising but am not sure how widely it extends to his other 08s. At least from the Reliable Expert Opinions on cellartracker, combined with my painful experiences last year, I'm leaning towards further patience (as I mentioned, I don't have any 08 Evocelles).

originally posted by VLM:

1998 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/17/2018)
Paired with the 1998 Chave, this was distinctly less of a wine.

I don't have extensive experience with either wine, but isn't that always the case?
 
ditto

I am most curious about this evaluation of Evocelles because I do not consider Gevrey AC 08 to be all that interesting yet. But the two verdicts are not necessarily mutually exclusive, depending on what you are looking for.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
ditto

I am most curious about this evaluation of Evocelles because I do not consider Gevrey AC 08 to be all that interesting yet.

The Gevrey is one of the 08 Boillots that I have, and I am afraid to open more. Also have Champonnet, Brouillards and Grands Poisots and not inclined to open any (as much as I would love to have them be drinking well right now).
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
ditto

I am most curious about this evaluation of Evocelles because I do not consider Gevrey AC 08 to be all that interesting yet.

The Gevrey is one of the 08 Boillots that I have, and I am afraid to open more. Also have Champonnet, Brouillards and Grands Poisots and not inclined to open any (as much as I would love to have them be drinking well right now).

Haven't had the Brouillards recently and after a period of showing very well, the 2008 villages Gevrey was kind of cranky the last time I had it. I have no more bottles, so I don't know what to tell you. Maybe bury it and wait for it to become more tertiary. I'm sure it'll have the legs for it.

The Champonnets was very young the last time I had it, which may have been 3 years ago or so but I can't recall, I have no record of it. I'll try to check in soon, but it would be great if you did, too. Or maybe another mid-week meet-up.

The Evocelles has always been the most fleshy of the 2008s so in that way it is not representative of the rest of Boillot's 2008s.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/13/2018)
This is hitting a nice stride and paying off on its early promise. The fruit shades towards the darker end of red with some kind of currant/black cherry thing wrapped in earth and with touches of leather and dark soil tones. Mid-weight with the structure starting to harmonize. I got worried about this wine for a minute so it is nice to see it come through. You can tuck into this if you want or wait for a couple more years for it to unwind further. (92 points)

That is promising but am not sure how widely it extends to his other 08s. At least from the Reliable Expert Opinions on cellartracker, combined with my painful experiences last year, I'm leaning towards further patience (as I mentioned, I don't have any 08 Evocelles).

I don't find Cellartracker to be good for most Burgundy but especially not Boillot (or Barthod).

originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

1998 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/17/2018)
Paired with the 1998 Chave, this was distinctly less of a wine.

I don't have extensive experience with either wine, but isn't that always the case?

Well, Allemand gets all the grams, but yes, especially in that vintage, Chave is the superior wine.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/13/2018)
This is hitting a nice stride and paying off on its early promise. The fruit shades towards the darker end of red with some kind of currant/black cherry thing wrapped in earth and with touches of leather and dark soil tones. Mid-weight with the structure starting to harmonize. I got worried about this wine for a minute so it is nice to see it come through. You can tuck into this if you want or wait for a couple more years for it to unwind further. (92 points)

That is promising but am not sure how widely it extends to his other 08s. At least from the Reliable Expert Opinions on cellartracker, combined with my painful experiences last year, I'm leaning towards further patience (as I mentioned, I don't have any 08 Evocelles).

I don't find Cellartracker to be good for most Burgundy but especially not Boillot (or Barthod).

originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

1998 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/17/2018)
Paired with the 1998 Chave, this was distinctly less of a wine.

I don't have extensive experience with either wine, but isn't that always the case?

Well, Allemand gets all the grams, but yes, especially in that vintage, Chave is the superior wine.

Having been there for that pairing, I second Nathan's opinion that the Chave was clearly superior. Although I can't think of when else I have had the 98s side by side other than this time.
 
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/13/2018)
This is hitting a nice stride and paying off on its early promise. The fruit shades towards the darker end of red with some kind of currant/black cherry thing wrapped in earth and with touches of leather and dark soil tones. Mid-weight with the structure starting to harmonize. I got worried about this wine for a minute so it is nice to see it come through. You can tuck into this if you want or wait for a couple more years for it to unwind further. (92 points)

That is promising but am not sure how widely it extends to his other 08s. At least from the Reliable Expert Opinions on cellartracker, combined with my painful experiences last year, I'm leaning towards further patience (as I mentioned, I don't have any 08 Evocelles).

I don't find Cellartracker to be good for most Burgundy but especially not Boillot (or Barthod).

originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

1998 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/17/2018)
Paired with the 1998 Chave, this was distinctly less of a wine.

I don't have extensive experience with either wine, but isn't that always the case?

Well, Allemand gets all the grams, but yes, especially in that vintage, Chave is the superior wine.

Having been there for that pairing, I second Nathan's opinion that the Chave was clearly superior. Although I can't think of when else I have had the 98s side by side other than this time.

You were there. I'm sure you are right about the bottles you had. However I think that maybe Verset and/or Clape > Chave > Allemand in the case of this vintage. Though Hermitage never seems in any way similar to Cornas, at least to me (particularly Chave which is unique).
 
originally posted by VLM:
Definitely in the Marshall Manning zone here.

There's a name you don't hear too much of anymore. Is he still around, someplace?

originally posted by VLM
2017 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Blanc La Croix Boissée ...It's the best white Chinon, for sure.

Of course, how many are there? Perhaps 3 or 4?

And what's with all the Alto lately? Instead of losing your religion, I think you've found it.
 
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/13/2018)
This is hitting a nice stride and paying off on its early promise. The fruit shades towards the darker end of red with some kind of currant/black cherry thing wrapped in earth and with touches of leather and dark soil tones. Mid-weight with the structure starting to harmonize. I got worried about this wine for a minute so it is nice to see it come through. You can tuck into this if you want or wait for a couple more years for it to unwind further. (92 points)

That is promising but am not sure how widely it extends to his other 08s. At least from the Reliable Expert Opinions on cellartracker, combined with my painful experiences last year, I'm leaning towards further patience (as I mentioned, I don't have any 08 Evocelles).

I don't find Cellartracker to be good for most Burgundy but especially not Boillot (or Barthod).

originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

1998 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/17/2018)
Paired with the 1998 Chave, this was distinctly less of a wine.

I don't have extensive experience with either wine, but isn't that always the case?

Well, Allemand gets all the grams, but yes, especially in that vintage, Chave is the superior wine.

Having been there for that pairing, I second Nathan's opinion that the Chave was clearly superior. Although I can't think of when else I have had the 98s side by side other than this time.

You were there. I'm sure you are right about the bottles you had. However I think that maybe Verset and/or Clape > Chave > Allemand in the case of this vintage. Though Hermitage never seems in any way similar to Cornas, at least to me (particularly Chave which is unique).

Of those 4 wines, Chave has always been my favorite, followed by Verset and Allemand and then Clape at quite a distance behind. I actually ended up selling my 1998 Clape because I found little interest for me there. The Verset is a wild ride, but given the scarcity these days I seem to hoard my remaining bottles.

One doesn't need to compare anything to anything, but I like to. Chave, Verset and Allemand Reynards are all vastly different wines but do share enough in common to make comparisons interesting.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by VLM:
Definitely in the Marshall Manning zone here.

There's a name you don't hear too much of anymore. Is he still around, someplace?

originally posted by VLM
2017 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Blanc La Croix Boissée ...It's the best white Chinon, for sure.

Of course, how many are there? Perhaps 3 or 4?

And what's with all the Alto lately? Instead of losing your religion, I think you've found it.

No idea what has happened to MM, but it'd be nice to know.

I counted 30 listed in Cellartracker before I stopped.

We've been drinking a lot of Alto Piemonte wines for a while now. They were just from the "house" section of the cellar and never made it into my Cellartracker records. I started tracking everything that comes in the house a few months back. We regularly drink Alto Piedmont wines out. Also, a decent amount of Loire Valley chenin blanc from various places.
 
originally posted by VLM:

2012 Colombera & Garella Lessona Pizzaguerra - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Lessona (11/30/2018)
Pale red color. Nose opens with an ferrous eathiness. Bright red fruits and herbs and lots of other woddsy complex notes emerge as it opens up over an hour or so. Colombera & Garella are making some really interesting wines. We love both this and the Bramaterra. (92 points)

After hearing all the paeans to this producer, I finally secured a few bottles of their Bramaterra to try (happy dance).

2008 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Cailles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru (11/28/2018)
Showing quite well with room for growth. Crunchy red fruits, less deeply fruited cherry notes than I've experienced with other vintages. The Chevillon fleshiness plays well with the structure of the vintage. Entering a drinking window, should hold there for a while and improve for folks who like different characteristics. (92 points)

Very good to hear.

2007 Le Piane Boca - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Boca (11/25/2018)
Not the best bottle of this, but maybe the food match wasn't great. Seemed tired compared to other bottles, although maybe it got too much air. Anyway, the corks on these bottles are soaked about half way up and I didn't get them on immediate release. The others have been substantially better, but I'd love to have a pristine bottle. (89 points)

Now to find a source for these...

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

I take that you mean the Monkey Zone here. What advice for us oengerontophiles?

2009 Domaine Lionnet Cornas Terre Brûlée - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/21/2018)
This was out of magnum. Took a minute to get going and it could, honestly, use about 5 more years. It was one of those wines, and this has happened to me several times with Allemand SS, that seems to be ion a muddle and then suddenly just pops out of the glass and becomes something entirely different. There is still a good bit of chewy tannin down there under the dark fruit and syrah earth. I've had several wines from Lionnet over the past few years and they've impressed me. Nice to have a reasonably priced source of Cornas with typicté. (92 points)

For whatever reason, maybe simply a matter of availability, I've never really had any of Lionnet's Cornas. I might have to look for some. Whereas a decade ago, Cote-Rotie was basically dead to me and Cornas was where the action was, now the situation is reversed. I recently started buying Paris and Balthazar's wines but I need to explore more.

2014 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (11/9/2018)
Bummer, grumpy bottle. Pleasant enough, but I expected more and have had better bottles. Fuck you root day. (90 points)

Hmmm... yours sounds far more closed than the one I opened at Thanksgiving. No doubt though that it's years away from strutting its stuff.

2013 Kistler Chardonnay Durell Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast (11/6/2018)
We have some Kistler that Steph's dad sent us and are working our way through it. Not a particularly interesting wine. Certainly well made with high quality wood framing, but boring. Might have been better if it were all buttery and obnoxiously Californian instead of being so polite. (89 points)

We have some dear friends in the South Bay Area who are on the Kistler, Sea Smoke and similar mailing lists. Whenever we visit, they very generously open a few of these wines and I always struggle to find nice things to say about them. First world problem, I know.

2015 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (11/4/2018)
Nope. Really good stuffing but in no mood to play with me today. Left on the counter it was better the next day and didn't fall apart after several days just sitting out. Will be a good vintage of this wine in time. (91 points)

Does any of this surprise you? Serious question here. I mean, I'm still sitting on my '09s.

Thanks so much for compiling these provocative notes!
Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:

2012 Colombera & Garella Lessona Pizzaguerra - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Lessona (11/30/2018)
Pale red color. Nose opens with an ferrous eathiness. Bright red fruits and herbs and lots of other woddsy complex notes emerge as it opens up over an hour or so. Colombera & Garella are making some really interesting wines. We love both this and the Bramaterra. (92 points)

After hearing all the paeans to this producer, I finally secured a few bottles of their Bramaterra to try (happy dance).

2007 Le Piane Boca - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Boca (11/25/2018)
Not the best bottle of this, but maybe the food match wasn't great. Seemed tired compared to other bottles, although maybe it got too much air. Anyway, the corks on these bottles are soaked about half way up and I didn't get them on immediate release. The others have been substantially better, but I'd love to have a pristine bottle. (89 points)

Now to find a source for these...

I sourced my Piane from Wine Connection (Max is currently having a sale). However, these 2007s are somewhat compromised which must have happened before they got to him. Sec wines out of Portland seems to have a good selection, although I haven't bought any from them. I've bought other stuff.

originally posted by MLipton:
2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

I take that you mean the Monkey Zone here. What advice for us oengerontophiles?

Geez, I dunno, another 15 years? If you want to wait out all the vibrant fruit, the life cycle of a wine like this might be 50 years well stored.

originally posted by MLipton:
2009 Domaine Lionnet Cornas Terre Brûlée - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/21/2018)
This was out of magnum. Took a minute to get going and it could, honestly, use about 5 more years. It was one of those wines, and this has happened to me several times with Allemand SS, that seems to be ion a muddle and then suddenly just pops out of the glass and becomes something entirely different. There is still a good bit of chewy tannin down there under the dark fruit and syrah earth. I've had several wines from Lionnet over the past few years and they've impressed me. Nice to have a reasonably priced source of Cornas with typicté. (92 points)

For whatever reason, maybe simply a matter of availability, I've never really had any of Lionnet's Cornas. I might have to look for some. Whereas a decade ago, Cote-Rotie was basically dead to me and Cornas was where the action was, now the situation is reversed. I recently started buying Paris and Balthazar's wines but I need to explore more.

I think the wines are a bit less polished than Paris or Balthazar but a long way from Michel or Verset.

originally posted by MLipton:
2014 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (11/9/2018)
Bummer, grumpy bottle. Pleasant enough, but I expected more and have had better bottles. Fuck you root day. (90 points)

Hmmm... yours sounds far more closed than the one I opened at Thanksgiving. No doubt though that it's years away from strutting its stuff.

It was just a bad wine day. Other bottles have been killer.

originally posted by MLipton:
2013 Kistler Chardonnay Durell Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast (11/6/2018)
We have some Kistler that Steph's dad sent us and are working our way through it. Not a particularly interesting wine. Certainly well made with high quality wood framing, but boring. Might have been better if it were all buttery and obnoxiously Californian instead of being so polite. (89 points)

We have some dear friends in the South Bay Area who are on the Kistler, Sea Smoke and similar mailing lists. Whenever we visit, they very generously open a few of these wines and I always struggle to find nice things to say about them. First world problem, I know.

There were plenty of nice things to say about it. You could tell it was meticulously made and the wood was expensive. Someone put a lot of thought and care into tit. It was just a bit boring.

originally posted by MLipton:
2015 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (11/4/2018)
Nope. Really good stuffing but in no mood to play with me today. Left on the counter it was better the next day and didn't fall apart after several days just sitting out. Will be a good vintage of this wine in time. (91 points)

Does any of this surprise you? Serious question here. I mean, I'm still sitting on my '09s.

Thanks so much for compiling these provocative notes!
Mark Lipton

I've got a fair amount, so it was just out of curiosity. The 2009 showed really well recently. I'd try a bottle.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by VLM:
2013 Kistler Chardonnay Durell Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast (11/6/2018)
We have some Kistler that Steph's dad sent us and are working our way through it. Not a particularly interesting wine. Certainly well made with high quality wood framing, but boring. Might have been better if it were all buttery and obnoxiously Californian instead of being so polite. (89 points)

We have some dear friends in the South Bay Area who are on the Kistler, Sea Smoke and similar mailing lists. Whenever we visit, they very generously open a few of these wines and I always struggle to find nice things to say about them. First world problem, I know.

There were plenty of nice things to say about it. You could tell it was meticulously made and the wood was expensive. Someone put a lot of thought and care into tit. It was just a bit boring.

First world & 1% (or friend thereof) problem.

VLM - "a bit boring" in the sense of no complexity? Or in the sense of pretty good bands you played way too much in college and never listen to anymore?
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/13/2018)
This is hitting a nice stride and paying off on its early promise. The fruit shades towards the darker end of red with some kind of currant/black cherry thing wrapped in earth and with touches of leather and dark soil tones. Mid-weight with the structure starting to harmonize. I got worried about this wine for a minute so it is nice to see it come through. You can tuck into this if you want or wait for a couple more years for it to unwind further. (92 points)

That is promising but am not sure how widely it extends to his other 08s. At least from the Reliable Expert Opinions on cellartracker, combined with my painful experiences last year, I'm leaning towards further patience (as I mentioned, I don't have any 08 Evocelles).

I don't find Cellartracker to be good for most Burgundy but especially not Boillot (or Barthod).

originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

1998 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/17/2018)
Paired with the 1998 Chave, this was distinctly less of a wine.

I don't have extensive experience with either wine, but isn't that always the case?

Well, Allemand gets all the grams, but yes, especially in that vintage, Chave is the superior wine.

I’ve also had them side by side, and while I love the Allemand, and they are very different, the Chave is at another level. And still young.
 
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/13/2018)
This is hitting a nice stride and paying off on its early promise. The fruit shades towards the darker end of red with some kind of currant/black cherry thing wrapped in earth and with touches of leather and dark soil tones. Mid-weight with the structure starting to harmonize. I got worried about this wine for a minute so it is nice to see it come through. You can tuck into this if you want or wait for a couple more years for it to unwind further. (92 points)

That is promising but am not sure how widely it extends to his other 08s. At least from the Reliable Expert Opinions on cellartracker, combined with my painful experiences last year, I'm leaning towards further patience (as I mentioned, I don't have any 08 Evocelles).

I don't find Cellartracker to be good for most Burgundy but especially not Boillot (or Barthod).

originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

1998 Thierry Allemand Cornas Reynard - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/17/2018)
Paired with the 1998 Chave, this was distinctly less of a wine.

I don't have extensive experience with either wine, but isn't that always the case?

Well, Allemand gets all the grams, but yes, especially in that vintage, Chave is the superior wine.

Having been there for that pairing, I second Nathan's opinion that the Chave was clearly superior. Although I can't think of when else I have had the 98s side by side other than this time.

You were there. I'm sure you are right about the bottles you had. However I think that maybe Verset and/or Clape > Chave > Allemand in the case of this vintage. Though Hermitage never seems in any way similar to Cornas, at least to me (particularly Chave which is unique).

Jay and I had all three at the same dinner last summer, and Clape was also excellent. Extremely elegant and fragrant. But Chave was at another level to me.

We didn’t have the ‘98 Verset. We had ‘99. Also not bad.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:

2012 Colombera & Garella Lessona Pizzaguerra - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Lessona (11/30/2018)
Pale red color. Nose opens with an ferrous eathiness. Bright red fruits and herbs and lots of other woddsy complex notes emerge as it opens up over an hour or so. Colombera & Garella are making some really interesting wines. We love both this and the Bramaterra. (92 points)

After hearing all the paeans to this producer, I finally secured a few bottles of their Bramaterra to try (happy dance).

2007 Le Piane Boca - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Boca (11/25/2018)
Not the best bottle of this, but maybe the food match wasn't great. Seemed tired compared to other bottles, although maybe it got too much air. Anyway, the corks on these bottles are soaked about half way up and I didn't get them on immediate release. The others have been substantially better, but I'd love to have a pristine bottle. (89 points)

Now to find a source for these...

I sourced my Piane from Wine Connection (Max is currently having a sale). However, these 2007s are somewhat compromised which must have happened before they got to him. Sec wines out of Portland seems to have a good selection, although I haven't bought any from them. I've bought other stuff.

originally posted by MLipton:
2008 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/23/2018)
This is in the zone and was exactly like the previous bottle. (92 points)

I take that you mean the Monkey Zone here. What advice for us oengerontophiles?

Geez, I dunno, another 15 years? If you want to wait out all the vibrant fruit, the life cycle of a wine like this might be 50 years well stored.

originally posted by MLipton:
2009 Domaine Lionnet Cornas Terre Brûlée - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas (11/21/2018)
This was out of magnum. Took a minute to get going and it could, honestly, use about 5 more years. It was one of those wines, and this has happened to me several times with Allemand SS, that seems to be ion a muddle and then suddenly just pops out of the glass and becomes something entirely different. There is still a good bit of chewy tannin down there under the dark fruit and syrah earth. I've had several wines from Lionnet over the past few years and they've impressed me. Nice to have a reasonably priced source of Cornas with typicté. (92 points)

For whatever reason, maybe simply a matter of availability, I've never really had any of Lionnet's Cornas. I might have to look for some. Whereas a decade ago, Cote-Rotie was basically dead to me and Cornas was where the action was, now the situation is reversed. I recently started buying Paris and Balthazar's wines but I need to explore more.

I think the wines are a bit less polished than Paris or Balthazar but a long way from Michel or Verset.

originally posted by MLipton:
2014 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (11/9/2018)
Bummer, grumpy bottle. Pleasant enough, but I expected more and have had better bottles. Fuck you root day. (90 points)

Hmmm... yours sounds far more closed than the one I opened at Thanksgiving. No doubt though that it's years away from strutting its stuff.

It was just a bad wine day. Other bottles have been killer.

originally posted by MLipton:
2013 Kistler Chardonnay Durell Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast (11/6/2018)
We have some Kistler that Steph's dad sent us and are working our way through it. Not a particularly interesting wine. Certainly well made with high quality wood framing, but boring. Might have been better if it were all buttery and obnoxiously Californian instead of being so polite. (89 points)

We have some dear friends in the South Bay Area who are on the Kistler, Sea Smoke and similar mailing lists. Whenever we visit, they very generously open a few of these wines and I always struggle to find nice things to say about them. First world problem, I know.

There were plenty of nice things to say about it. You could tell it was meticulously made and the wood was expensive. Someone put a lot of thought and care into tit. It was just a bit boring.

originally posted by MLipton:
2015 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (11/4/2018)
Nope. Really good stuffing but in no mood to play with me today. Left on the counter it was better the next day and didn't fall apart after several days just sitting out. Will be a good vintage of this wine in time. (91 points)

Does any of this surprise you? Serious question here. I mean, I'm still sitting on my '09s.

Thanks so much for compiling these provocative notes!
Mark Lipton

I've got a fair amount, so it was just out of curiosity. The 2009 showed really well recently. I'd try a bottle.

Re: Lionnet less polished than Paris and Balthazar, that sounds like it might be a good thing for me.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by VLM:
2013 Kistler Chardonnay Durell Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast (11/6/2018)
We have some Kistler that Steph's dad sent us and are working our way through it. Not a particularly interesting wine. Certainly well made with high quality wood framing, but boring. Might have been better if it were all buttery and obnoxiously Californian instead of being so polite. (89 points)

We have some dear friends in the South Bay Area who are on the Kistler, Sea Smoke and similar mailing lists. Whenever we visit, they very generously open a few of these wines and I always struggle to find nice things to say about them. First world problem, I know.

There were plenty of nice things to say about it. You could tell it was meticulously made and the wood was expensive. Someone put a lot of thought and care into tit. It was just a bit boring.

First world & 1% (or friend thereof) problem.

VLM - "a bit boring" in the sense of no complexity? Or in the sense of pretty good bands you played way too much in college and never listen to anymore?

Bingo. I'm trying to think of a good example, but that's exactly it.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by VLM:
2013 Kistler Chardonnay Durell Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast (11/6/2018)
We have some Kistler that Steph's dad sent us and are working our way through it. Not a particularly interesting wine. Certainly well made with high quality wood framing, but boring. Might have been better if it were all buttery and obnoxiously Californian instead of being so polite. (89 points)

We have some dear friends in the South Bay Area who are on the Kistler, Sea Smoke and similar mailing lists. Whenever we visit, they very generously open a few of these wines and I always struggle to find nice things to say about them. First world problem, I know.

There were plenty of nice things to say about it. You could tell it was meticulously made and the wood was expensive. Someone put a lot of thought and care into tit. It was just a bit boring.

First world & 1% (or friend thereof) problem.

VLM - "a bit boring" in the sense of no complexity? Or in the sense of pretty good bands you played way too much in college and never listen to anymore?

Bingo. I'm trying to think of a good example, but that's exactly it.

Journey? Oops, I keep forgetting, you guys are much younga.
 
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