Impressions November 2018
- Thread starter VLM
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Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Court of the Crimson King
Karn Evil 9
Christian Miller (CMM)
Christian Miller
That first album had some good stuff, but for me it's now an example of VLM's point. I'd add a bunch of jazz-rock fusion albums to the pile. And they had complexity!
Mike Evans
Mike Evans
Is the root day reference sarcastic or serious? I suspect the former, but I'm curious because I gave the biodynamic calendar a sort of test over a couple of years by having a friend look up what kind of day it was at the end of tastings so it wouldn’t affect my impressions of the wines. After at least 20-30 separate tastings, I found absolutely no correlation between the kind of day and my impression of how well the wines showed. My conclusion was that it is as accurate as a horoscope, which is to say, not at all. Your comment makes me wonder if your experience, if it is even something you've looked at, has been different.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
So your calendar is off.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Maybe it's his biorhythms. If we put him under a plexiglass pyramid oriented towards true north, and pour his biodynamic tinctures through a ring magnet, he'll do better?
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
It's impossible to test rigorously, but I've been checking out the biodynamic calendar somewhat systematically for the last four or five years (using the phone app When Wine Tastes Best) and have found no tendency whatsoever for wines to taste better on Fruit and Flower days and worse on Root and Leaf days. If anything the opposite, but that may be because I tend to save the "better" wines for Fruit and Flower days, and have therefore accumulated more disappointments.
That said, it's not inconceivable that there is an impact of some kind, though surely not a simplistic one, so when I want to compare two wines on consecutive nights, I tend to pick nights which are of the same kind. So, for me, the biodynamic calendar has grown into a kind of inventory management tool, since I tend to be very comparison-oriented in my planning.
That said, it's not inconceivable that there is an impact of some kind, though surely not a simplistic one, so when I want to compare two wines on consecutive nights, I tend to pick nights which are of the same kind. So, for me, the biodynamic calendar has grown into a kind of inventory management tool, since I tend to be very comparison-oriented in my planning.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Kind of makes a difference what we are drinking, no? remirez de ganuza will taste the same on beet day and on pickle day.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
It's supposed to be a blanket effect, regardless of whether you are in a pickle.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
The real problem is that he was not drinking homeopathic doses of the wine. That's what allows the effect of a root or fruit day to shine through. Otherwise the taste of the wine can overwhelm the biodynamic influences.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
Are the differences between types of days supposed to affect the wine or the sensory abilities of the taster? If it's the former, there should be experiments one could perform on the wine to determine if its physical make-up actually changes according to the calendar. Of course, if it's the former, it probably turns out that we will have to revise our whole understanding of the physical universe as well. If it's the latter, it is at least conceivable, I suppose, that we could define neuro-physiological tastes to determine whether physiological transformations were taking place, but there would be a more economical explanation.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Afaik, it's the former, but I wouldn't have thought it's the physical makeup of the wine that changes (otherwise it would have to physically regress to its previous state a day or two or three later) but rather something analogous to a change of humour in a person that is otherwise the same on successive days. But I don't know for a fact, of course.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
But wines, not being actually animate, much less having central nervous systems, can hardly have moods. We, of course, can project moods upon them.
Mike Evans
Mike Evans
Jay, I like your explanation best, and certainly prefer it to being placed under a plexiglass pyramid.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
No doubt. Perhaps a sensor could be placed inside a bottle and scientists could check if the data correlates in any way with the changing BD calendar days. But I have no idea what we'd be measuring, since the chemical composition itself doesn't change with the ebb and flow of lunar gravity.
If certain gravity states were to make, say, acidity more noticeable, that would be analogous to a mood change, but I don't know how that could be measured if the actual amount of acidity in the liquid doesn't change. But there is just too much we still don't understand to completely rule out the possibility that non-measurable effects exist.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Hoodoo.
But I love the idea of a sensor packed into a bottle. But what would we do with it? Sit it in a cellar? Send it in a "reefer"? Put it in a truck and drive it around Barcelona for a few weeks?
Thrills! Chills! (or lack thereof)
But I love the idea of a sensor packed into a bottle. But what would we do with it? Sit it in a cellar? Send it in a "reefer"? Put it in a truck and drive it around Barcelona for a few weeks?
Thrills! Chills! (or lack thereof)
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
I will swallow my snark. Hard for me. And just say: VLM planted the roots of this thread, then retired to perch among the leaves to observe the flowers rise from the fruits of his labor.
Terrible, I know. But the day job beckons....
Terrible, I know. But the day job beckons....