Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Oh, no, another rule of fifteen?
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Oh, no, another rule of fifteen?
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Gotta do an in-glass blend with the Musar.originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by slaton:
Anyone tasted a 2009 Coudert regular recently?
Sorry to say, but I opened a bottle of the 09 regular in December and was a bit underwhelmed. No sense of being semi-carbonic, just straight Gamay, with a lactic note that I found off-putting, and not enough acidity zip to make up for it. Where's a touch of v.a. when you need it? Just kidding.
Bingo.
Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
nah, I've just shifted my position on Beaujolais in general, in pretty much the same way I shifted my position on sweet riesling. I used to figure, hey, if it's good, it ought to be worth cellaring. Then I had to amend the riesling rule to, "...if it's from Prum or a handful of others." It's not that they don't age at all, just that they're never better than on day one. Which is fine - those '09s were mighty joyous on day one pretty much across the board (except MMIX...)originally posted by slaton:
Now you are reminding me why I hated the 2009s in the first place!originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
a lactic note that I found off-putting, and not enough acidity zip
I also found a tutti-frutti, Hawaiian Punch aspect to the fruit in many of the wines I tasted.
I'm still fascinated that Foillard CdP turned a corner from this, to deliciousness.
I recall Keith being a big proponent of these wines on release, which baffled me as my palate generally aligns with his otherwise. So it's interesting to me that we've both since moderated our positions somewhat on the 2009s. Or at least, that's how I'm reading it.
Larry Stein
Larry Stein
Last year (2017?), I attended a Lapierre/Foillard dinner with Jim Hanlon. 2009 Lapierre and Foillard CdP were very good. In the next few months, I and another fellow are going to open 2009 Foillard CdP, Fleurie, and 3.14 with our regular dinner group.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
nah, I've just shifted my position on Beaujolais in general, in pretty much the same way I shifted my position on sweet riesling. I used to figure, hey, if it's good, it ought to be worth cellaring. Then I had to amend the riesling rule to, "...if it's from Prum or a handful of others." It's not that they don't age at all, just that they're never better than on day one. Which is fine - those '09s were mighty joyous on day one pretty much across the board (except MMIX...)originally posted by slaton:
Now you are reminding me why I hated the 2009s in the first place!originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
a lactic note that I found off-putting, and not enough acidity zip
I also found a tutti-frutti, Hawaiian Punch aspect to the fruit in many of the wines I tasted.
I'm still fascinated that Foillard CdP turned a corner from this, to deliciousness.
I recall Keith being a big proponent of these wines on release, which baffled me as my palate generally aligns with his otherwise. So it's interesting to me that we've both since moderated our positions somewhat on the 2009s. Or at least, that's how I'm reading it.
The next question then is: did the shift in position shift what you buy toward the ones that will improve in the cellar? That’s where I trended although it wasn’t really that conscious. And just a trend - not a wholesale shift.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
nah, I've just shifted my position on Beaujolais in general, in pretty much the same way I shifted my position on sweet riesling. I used to figure, hey, if it's good, it ought to be worth cellaring. Then I had to amend the riesling rule to, "...if it's from Prum or a handful of others." It's not that they don't age at all, just that they're never better than on day one. Which is fine - those '09s were mighty joyous on day one pretty much across the board (except MMIX...)originally posted by slaton:
Now you are reminding me why I hated the 2009s in the first place!originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
a lactic note that I found off-putting, and not enough acidity zip
I also found a tutti-frutti, Hawaiian Punch aspect to the fruit in many of the wines I tasted.
I'm still fascinated that Foillard CdP turned a corner from this, to deliciousness.
I recall Keith being a big proponent of these wines on release, which baffled me as my palate generally aligns with his otherwise. So it's interesting to me that we've both since moderated our positions somewhat on the 2009s. Or at least, that's how I'm reading it.
À chacun ....
originally posted by MarkS:
Appreciate the vintages, citoyens. There's a reason God allows for a new vintage every year! The 09's are good and will continue to be so.
Well spoken, comrade! Let us be thankful for the fruit of the earth and work of the soviet.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by BJ:
originally posted by MarkS:
Appreciate the vintages, citoyens. There's a reason God allows for a new vintage every year! The 09's are good and will continue to be so.
Well spoken, comrade! Let us be thankful for the fruit of the earth and work of the soviet.
How can it be well-spoken if it mentions God? Off to Siberia with the both of youse.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Seven grams in the neck.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Sorry. That's a refrain from The Gulag Archipelago.