Ladoix and Chorey Vintages

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VLM
While I generally buy producer and not vintage, sometimes I have to make a buying decision without being able to taste the wine or visit the domain. Given that it is imperfect information, how do folks think about Ladoix, Chorey, Aloxe Corton and Savigny in terms of Beaune vs Nuits vintages?

As recent examples, 2012 was difficult in the Beaune but I've had great luck in the Nuits. There was an even bigger difference in 2014. What do folks use as a guide for these vineyards in the middle? Especially Ladoix and Chorey which get little attention.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Ladoix and Chorey VintagesWhile I generally buy producer and not vintage, sometimes I have to make a buying decision without being able to taste the wine or visit the domain. Given that it is imperfect information, how do folks think about Ladoix, Chorey, Aloxe Corton and Savigny in terms of Beaune vs Nuits vintages?

As recent examples, 2012 was difficult in the Beaune but I've had great luck in the Nuits. There was an even bigger difference in 2014. What do folks use as a guide for these vineyards in the middle? Especially Ladoix and Chorey which get little attention.
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Wouldn't Pernand-Vergelesses also be in this grouping?

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
Ladoix and Chorey VintagesWhile I generally buy producer and not vintage, sometimes I have to make a buying decision without being able to taste the wine or visit the domain. Given that it is imperfect information, how do folks think about Ladoix, Chorey, Aloxe Corton and Savigny in terms of Beaune vs Nuits vintages?

As recent examples, 2012 was difficult in the Beaune but I've had great luck in the Nuits. There was an even bigger difference in 2014. What do folks use as a guide for these vineyards in the middle? Especially Ladoix and Chorey which get little attention.
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Wouldn't Pernand-Vergelesses also be in this grouping?

Mark Lipton
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Yeah, in with Aloxe, maybe. Although being around the bend may change everything.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
Ladoix and Chorey VintagesWhile I generally buy producer and not vintage, sometimes I have to make a buying decision without being able to taste the wine or visit the domain. Given that it is imperfect information, how do folks think about Ladoix, Chorey, Aloxe Corton and Savigny in terms of Beaune vs Nuits vintages?

As recent examples, 2012 was difficult in the Beaune but I've had great luck in the Nuits. There was an even bigger difference in 2014. What do folks use as a guide for these vineyards in the middle? Especially Ladoix and Chorey which get little attention.
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Wouldn't Pernand-Vergelesses also be in this grouping?

Mark Lipton
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Yeah, in with Aloxe, maybe. Although being around the bend may change everything.
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I went round the bend several times, but ended up in the same place.
 
originally posted by BJ:
I'm a big fan of Edmond Cornu, but I never see his stuff around.
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Yeah, me too. Served 2013 Ladoix VV at a dinner last night and it showed really well. In fact, it is the wines of Cornu that prompted the question since I have several vintages available, but no way to sample them and have to order them by the case.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by BJ:
I'm a big fan of Edmond Cornu, but I never see his stuff around.
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Yeah, me too. Served 2013 Ladoix VV at a dinner last night and it showed really well. In fact, it is the wines of Cornu that prompted the question since I have several vintages available, but no way to sample them and have to order them by the case.
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Solution: buy then try.
You can always sell them off if you don't care for them.
 
I've got one bottle left from a magnificent case of Maillard Chorey 1978, bought a few years ago. Good burgundy lasts.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Ladoix and Chorey VintagesWhile I generally buy producer and not vintage, sometimes I have to make a buying decision without being able to taste the wine or visit the domain. Given that it is imperfect information, how do folks think about Ladoix, Chorey, Aloxe Corton and Savigny in terms of Beaune vs Nuits vintages?

As recent examples, 2012 was difficult in the Beaune but I've had great luck in the Nuits. There was an even bigger difference in 2014. What do folks use as a guide for these vineyards in the middle? Especially Ladoix and Chorey which get little attention.
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I've had very good bottles of 2012 Pernand Ile and Beaune aux Cras, both from Jadot.

Martin Steinley sells Cornu, or used to (along with other Rosenthal wines); he sells off an email list, you can find him at Berserkers. In the past, he's carried Cornu's Corton-Bressandes, which I think you're fond of, as well as Ladoix appellations. To my eye, he is a conscientious purveyor.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by VLM:
Ladoix and Chorey VintagesWhile I generally buy producer and not vintage, sometimes I have to make a buying decision without being able to taste the wine or visit the domain. Given that it is imperfect information, how do folks think about Ladoix, Chorey, Aloxe Corton and Savigny in terms of Beaune vs Nuits vintages?

As recent examples, 2012 was difficult in the Beaune but I've had great luck in the Nuits. There was an even bigger difference in 2014. What do folks use as a guide for these vineyards in the middle? Especially Ladoix and Chorey which get little attention.
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I've had very good bottles of 2012 Pernand Ile and Beaune aux Cras, both from Jadot.

Martin Steinley sells Cornu, or used to (along with other Rosenthal wines); he sells off an email list, you can find him at Berserkers. In the past, he's carried Cornu's Corton-Bressandes, which I think you're fond of, as well as Ladoix appellations. To my eye, he is a conscientious purveyor.
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Ian, I know Martin. I should clarify, I'm not looking for retail, I'm looking for the restaurant list. There are many wines from Cornu that I have access to that aren't carried (few are) by the local distributor. The downside is that I have to buy in full cases. It's not the end of the world if one doesn't work out, but if there were even a bit of information to be gleaned from vintages, that would reduce error.
 
I see I made an unwarranted assumption. I drink mostly wines from Beaune appellations & haven't much experience comparing vintages from Cotes de Nuit vs. Cotes de Beaune.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by BJ:
I'm a big fan of Edmond Cornu, but I never see his stuff around.
Click to expand...

Yeah, me too. Served 2013 Ladoix VV at a dinner last night and it showed really well. In fact, it is the wines of Cornu that prompted the question since I have several vintages available, but no way to sample them and have to order them by the case.
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Hmm ... so they aren't as oaky as they used to be (or are they still?)
 
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