Millennials' resentment?!?

[Oswaldo Costa]

Timely reminder, Jonathan. I'm only surprised Plato didn't include "spend all their time looking at cellphones."

 

[Christian Miller (CMM)]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Timely reminder, Jonathan. I'm only surprised Plato didn't include "spend all their time looking at cellphones."

As I recall, Theseus threatened to cut off the hands of Demephon for reading scrolls at the dinner table.

 

[John Jansma]

at 31, I'm on the cusp, an old millennial. I don't think I had enough money to pay bills AND drink all the great wine I wanted until relatively recently. Although, Dad's Napa wallet buster might be doomed.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Timely reminder, Jonathan. I'm only surprised Plato didn't include "spend all their time looking at cellphones."

When the gods do it, though...

 

[VLM]

originally posted by John Jansma:
I don't think we're old enough yet...at 31, I'm on the cusp, an old millennial. I don't think I had enough money to pay bills AND drink all the great wine I wanted until relatively recently. Although, Dad's Napa wallet buster might be doomed.

John, I hope you continue to post here as I am intensely curious about the next generation. I'm Gen-Xer and got into wine when all the greats were readily available and I could split a bottle of La Tache or 82 Mouton on a Friday with a buddy if I wanted to. I got to drink a lot stuff like that. The wine world was much smaller then. Today, there are so many more interesting vignerons and regions to explore. While I think it is a shame that many of the classic greats are now luxury items and out of reach for most folks I am interested to see what emerges for your generation as the totems.

You're absolutely correct about Napa wallet busters, dead as a doornail as soon as the next recession hits. I'll add that there seem to be too many producers of pinot noir and chardonnay from CA that are indistinguishable from one another and are $75+, some thinning will happen there as well.

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
... hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was ... the older generation was destroying the world...

I think every generation keeps destroying the one before it, we have indeed become Shiva.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
... hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was ... the older generation was destroying the world...

I think every generation keeps destroying the one before it, we have indeed become Shiva.

If every generation does this, we haven't become Shiva, we have always been Shiva. I thought the biological process of aging and dying does the destroying, though.

 

[Todd Abrams]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I remember, as a boomer adolescent in the 60s, hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was and feeling that the older generation was destroying the world with repression, capitalism and imperialism (remember when that was what being a boomer meant?). Then, of course, I came upon this old saw from Socrates (or Plato, really): "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Plato didn't record the response of the younger generation, but I gave up on such remarks. And large numbers of my fellow boomers voted for Reagan and I gave up on all generational generations

Love it.

It's almost like humans go through stages of development over time.

 

[robert ames]

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I remember, as a boomer adolescent in the 60s, hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was and feeling that the older generation was destroying the world with repression, capitalism and imperialism (remember when that was what being a boomer meant?). Then, of course, I came upon this old saw from Socrates (or Plato, really): "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Plato didn't record the response of the younger generation, but I gave up on such remarks. And large numbers of my fellow boomers voted for Reagan and I gave up on all generational generations

Love it.

It's almost like humans go through stages of development over time.

it's more like nothing ever changes. the opprobrium in which the elderly hold the callow and reckless youth is eternal.

 

[Todd Abrams]

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I remember, as a boomer adolescent in the 60s, hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was and feeling that the older generation was destroying the world with repression, capitalism and imperialism (remember when that was what being a boomer meant?). Then, of course, I came upon this old saw from Socrates (or Plato, really): "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Plato didn't record the response of the younger generation, but I gave up on such remarks. And large numbers of my fellow boomers voted for Reagan and I gave up on all generational generations

Love it.

It's almost like humans go through stages of development over time.

it's more like nothing ever changes. the opprobrium in which the elderly hold the callow and reckless youth is eternal.

Ah, sorry. My meaning was that it's almost like humans go through stages of development over (their life)time.

Perhaps The Seven Ages of Man can be revised:
And then the drinker,
Gulping like hipster, with woeful refrain
His father's wine over lavish...

My apologies to The Bard.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I remember, as a boomer adolescent in the 60s, hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was and feeling that the older generation was destroying the world with repression, capitalism and imperialism (remember when that was what being a boomer meant?). Then, of course, I came upon this old saw from Socrates (or Plato, really): "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Plato didn't record the response of the younger generation, but I gave up on such remarks. And large numbers of my fellow boomers voted for Reagan and I gave up on all generational generations

Love it.

It's almost like humans go through stages of development over time.

it's more like nothing ever changes. the opprobrium in which the elderly hold the callow and reckless youth is eternal.

And vice versa.

There was a wonderful conversation from a Terry Pratchett Discworld book that when went something like this:

"We used to say never trust any wizard over 50."
"I remember, whatever happened to that?"
"We turned 50."
"And it turned out we were trustworthy after all. Lucky thing that."

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I remember, as a boomer adolescent in the 60s, hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was and feeling that the older generation was destroying the world with repression, capitalism and imperialism (remember when that was what being a boomer meant?). Then, of course, I came upon this old saw from Socrates (or Plato, really): "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Plato didn't record the response of the younger generation, but I gave up on such remarks. And large numbers of my fellow boomers voted for Reagan and I gave up on all generational generations

Love it.

It's almost like humans go through stages of development over time.

it's more like nothing ever changes. the opprobrium in which the elderly hold the callow and reckless youth is eternal.

And vice versa.

There was a wonderful conversation from a Terry Pratchett Discworld book that when went something like this:

"We used to say never trust any wizard over 50."
"I remember, whatever happened to that?"
"We turned 50."
"And it turned out we were trustworthy after all. Lucky thing that."

Wizards are more trusting than we mere mortals. We used to say never trust anyone over thirty. About me, at least, we were right. I wouldn't trust me farther than I could throw me.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I remember, as a boomer adolescent in the 60s, hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was and feeling that the older generation was destroying the world with repression, capitalism and imperialism (remember when that was what being a boomer meant?). Then, of course, I came upon this old saw from Socrates (or Plato, really): "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Plato didn't record the response of the younger generation, but I gave up on such remarks. And large numbers of my fellow boomers voted for Reagan and I gave up on all generational generations

Love it.

It's almost like humans go through stages of development over time.

it's more like nothing ever changes. the opprobrium in which the elderly hold the callow and reckless youth is eternal.

And vice versa.

There was a wonderful conversation from a Terry Pratchett Discworld book that when went something like this:

"We used to say never trust any wizard over 50."
"I remember, whatever happened to that?"
"We turned 50."
"And it turned out we were trustworthy after all. Lucky thing that."

Wizards are more trusting than we mere mortals. We used to say never trust anyone over thirty. About me, at least, we were right. I wouldn't trust me farther than I could throw me.

He was going for the joke that wizards live a lot longer.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Todd Abrams:
Perhaps The Seven Ages of Man can be revised...

There is already a quote like that, something about what a man drinks in his different decades... in his 20s, Beaujolais; in his 30s, Bordeaux; in his 40s, Burgundy (or maybe those are reversed?), and it ends with: in his 70s, marc.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:
Perhaps The Seven Ages of Man can be revised...

There is already a quote like that, something about what a man drinks in his different decades... in his 20s, Beaujolais; in his 30s, Bordeaux; in his 40s, Burgundy (or maybe those are reversed?), and it ends with: in his 70s, marc.

That certainly doesn't comport with my own experience. For me, it was Zin and Cab in my 20s, Chateauneuf in my 30s, Bordeaux in my 40s and Burgundy in my 50s. Looking ahead, it'll be Alto Piemonte and Riesling in my 60s and who knows after that.

Mark Lipton

 

[JasonA]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I remember, as a boomer adolescent in the 60s, hearing about how terrible, irresponsible and unrealistic my generation was and feeling that the older generation was destroying the world with repression, capitalism and imperialism (remember when that was what being a boomer meant?). Then, of course, I came upon this old saw from Socrates (or Plato, really): "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Plato didn't record the response of the younger generation, but I gave up on such remarks. And large numbers of my fellow boomers voted for Reagan and I gave up on all generational generations

Love it.

It's almost like humans go through stages of development over time.

it's more like nothing ever changes. the opprobrium in which the elderly hold the callow and reckless youth is eternal.

And vice versa.

There was a wonderful conversation from a Terry Pratchett Discworld book that when went something like this:

"We used to say never trust any wizard over 50."
"I remember, whatever happened to that?"
"We turned 50."
"And it turned out we were trustworthy after all. Lucky thing that."

"Can't get a good man these days for under 60!" - Captain Quint

 

[Ken Schramm]

People in their 20’s don't know what good wine is, but know that they can’t afford it.

People in their 40’s know what good wine is, and can afford it, but it isn’t ready yet.

People in their 60’s have good wine and some of it is ready, can afford anything they want, but can't taste as well and can't drink as much or eat the food that they could in their 20’s and 40’s.

People in their 80’s have great wine, but can't taste it, can't afford to buy it (again) and know they shouldn’t buy anymore if they could, and aren't supposed to drink it anyway.

 

[Rahsaan]

So what you're saying is that the 50s are primetime!?

 

[Ken Schramm]

originally posted by Rahsaan:
So what you're saying is that the 50s are primetime!?

Yeah, to be honest, I'd say that's about right.

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Ken Schramm:
People in their 20’s don't know what good wine is, but know that they can’t afford it.

People in their 40’s know what good wine is, and can afford it, but it isn’t ready yet.

People in their 60’s have good wine and some of it is ready, can afford anything they want, but can't taste as well and can't drink as much or eat the food that they could in their 20’s and 40’s.

People in their 80’s have great wine, but can't taste it, can't afford to buy it (again) and know they shouldn’t buy anymore if they could, and aren't supposed to drink it anyway.

What about the 30's? People who are starting to discover what good wine is and begin the buying process?