2004 Louis Michel, Chablis Grand cru, Vaudesir.

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
The Pansy at my feet
Doth the same tale repeat,
Whither is fled the visionary gleam,
Where is it now, the glory and the dream?
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Which begs the question, what are Wordsworth?
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Absolutely no begging of the question took place in that sentence, O.

Mark Lipton
(Semantic drift Reactionary #42)
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
The Pansy at my feet
Doth the same tale repeat,
Whither is fled the visionary gleam,
Where is it now, the glory and the dream?
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Which begs the question, what are Wordsworth?
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Absolutely no begging of the question took place in that sentence, O.

Mark Lipton
(Semantic drift Reactionary #42)
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'twas teasing the prof
 
A friend in graduate school once had a student who insisted that Wordsworth had to be a pen name. The student insisted that no poet could be so fortunate as to have been actually born with that name. I always thought the student had a point, at least about probability.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
While Ian may have unwittingly put his foot in an unadulterated substance, I was reminded of how this painting by McDermott and McGough amazed me in a Soho gallery show back in the late 1980s. It was a memorable example of the strategy of embracing rather than rejecting (though it remains true that this strategy is only available to the discriminated).

Dorothy.jpg
A Friend of Dorothy, 1943, 76 x 66 inches, oil on linen, 1986
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Oswaldo, I love it! I endorse and employ reclaiming stuff/language even though it doesn't guarantee changes in the culture that is doing the discriminating. So much of the meaning of language depends on context.

I so often enjoy the spirit of this bored. It hurt me to see "pansy." My unadulterated wrath sometimes belies my resilient sense of humor.

By the way, we are having a Warhol exhibit in S.F. soon; should be great. Off now, to pursue the visionary gleam.
 
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Y'all are a bunch of pansy synesthetes.
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Hmmmm... I think of myself more as a lesbian, even more as a dyke, rather than a "pansy. " You do realize, I hope, and I hope for the readers of this lovely wine arena that "pansy" has been more than a perjorative term in the USA and other countries with resulting criminal sentences and jail time for men and women who loved those whom they loved. The absolute waste of human agency and tenderness.

Please help me see how your comment "pansy" has to do with the syncretic and synaesthetic abiiities of those of us who dearly love wine, viticulture and the sense of shared wine experiences with others across cultures and continents.
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Hoping to amuse, I've offended, instead. We atavistic throwbacks sometimes struggle with the finer points.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Y'all are a bunch of pansy synesthetes.
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Hmmmm... I think of myself more as a lesbian, even more as a dyke, rather than a "pansy. " You do realize, I hope, and I hope for the readers of this lovely wine arena that "pansy" has been more than a perjorative term in the USA and other countries with resulting criminal sentences and jail time for men and women who loved those whom they loved. The absolute waste of human agency and tenderness.

Please help me see how your comment "pansy" has to do with the syncretic and synaesthetic abiiities of those of us who dearly love wine, viticulture and the sense of shared wine experiences with others across cultures and continents.
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Hoping to amuse, I've offended, instead. We atavistic throwbacks sometimes struggle with the finer points.
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FWIW I'm not offended. Though that is admittedly not easy to do.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Y'all are a bunch of pansy synesthetes.
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Hmmmm... I think of myself more as a lesbian, even more as a dyke, rather than a "pansy. " You do realize, I hope, and I hope for the readers of this lovely wine arena that "pansy" has been more than a perjorative term in the USA and other countries with resulting criminal sentences and jail time for men and women who loved those whom they loved. The absolute waste of human agency and tenderness.

Please help me see how your comment "pansy" has to do with the syncretic and synaesthetic abiiities of those of us who dearly love wine, viticulture and the sense of shared wine experiences with others across cultures and continents.
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Hoping to amuse, I've offended, instead. We atavistic throwbacks sometimes struggle with the finer points.
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Ian,

I'm giving you a hug, OK? Hugs.
 
Mm, thanks.

As a an erstwhile bullied nerd, I've imagined the word pansy is a part of my cultural bequest, to joke with as I will, and was trying to have some fun with 'synesthete,' a cool word you rarely see written down.

It's true: jokes are better when you explain them!
 
originally posted by Karen Goetz:

By the way, we are having a Warhol exhibit in S.F. soon; should be great.
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I would be interested to hear your impressions of it. I saw the exhibition here, at the Whitney, and was underwhelmed. Despite compiling an exhaustive array of Warhol's work from across his career, the exhibition didn't advance my understanding of his work beyond what I already knew. I guess that's what comes with being one of the best-known artists in history. Curiously, my favorite pieces were two collaborative works Warhol did with Basquiat; I hated these same paintings in the mammoth Basquiat exhibition at the Brooklyn Museum 15 years ago.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
And now we know what happened to the visionary gleam, the glory and the dream. They descended into absurdity.
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We’re all bozos on this bus

Mark Lipton aka Porgie Tirebiter
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
And now we know what happened to the visionary gleam, the glory and the dream. They descended into absurdity.
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We’re all bozos on this bus

Mark Lipton aka Porgie Tirebiter
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come on, give the wheeze a squeeze.
 
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