Formerly Known as Leo's Blind Tasting Group - April 2019

Jay Miller

Jay Miller
Cheryl hosted an amazing dinner at Left Bank in the West Village. As we enjoyed the excellent bistro style food several people commented on how familiar the restaurant seemed and we realized it was the same spot as the late, lamented Braeburn where I had hosted the second blind tasting 9 years earlier.

Gosset 15 ans de cave a minima brut - on the briochey side which is not my favorite style of Champagne, but very good for that style.
Selosse Substance - definitely flawed, I said TCA but got little support for my position. They were wrong. A tragic loss that diminishes us all.

94 Chave Hermitage Blanc
99 Chapoutier Ermitage Le Meal Blanc
04 Chave Hermitage Blanc

There was some debate as to whether the 94 or 04 Chave was the more wonderful wine. Most people gave the nod to the 2004, I preferred the 94 by a hair. Both needed time in the glass but were layered and complex and altogether gorgeous. On any other night both would have been contenders for WOTN. As is almost always the case Chapoutier made a wine that I found a little boring. At least they're consistent.

1989 Jaboulet La Chapelle Hermitage
I've had the 1990 three times each of which it was completely shut down. This is my first time with the 1989 and it is singing in a pure beautiful tenor voice. In its prime where it should remain for quite a while. Would have been my WOTN if not for the
1985 Chateau de Fonsalette Syrah which displayed captivating garrigue notes on the nose and a subtle complexity that I found a trifle more charming than the lilting joy of the Jaboulet. Apparently it seemed completely dead on decanting (Cheryl wasn't even going to serve it) but came to life with air.
1982 Penfolds Grange Hermitage - oak and vanilla, vanilla and oak. Does it ever integrate? I guessed Aussie Shiraz on this one. The people who like that sort of thing loved this wine.

1989 Leoville Las Cases
1989 Cos d'Estournel
1989 Lynch Bages
I guessed a flight of St.Julien and therefore my self back patting lasted 1/3 of the way through the reveal. The LLC was another strong contender for my WOTN but the Cos was also great. My first time having it and I greatly prefer it to the 1990. The famous Lynch Bages was a bit too ripe for me. Not bad but a step down from the other two.

2007 L'Ecole Estate Perigee Seven Hills Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon
2009 L'Ecole Estate Perigee Seven Hills Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon
2010 L'Ecole Estate Perigee Seven Hills Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon

An homage to our founder. I guessed a CA Cabernet that picks late/ripe but doesn't overoak but had no idea beyond that. And I found it a little confusing as the 2 usually go together. Again not my style but people who go for ripe wines enjoyed them very much.

2015 Guigal Condrieu La Luminescence Viognier
2008 Ken Forrester Noble Late Harvest Chenin Blanc

No notes but I remember both being very good.
 
originally posted by VLM:
You should rename your group. Leo is a bonkers anti-vaxxer. Just sayin.

I don't abandon friends because they have idiotic opinions. If I did I would have had to cut my acquaintance with Brad after he recommended 1995 Hacienda Monasterio.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by VLM:
You should rename your group. Leo is a bonkers anti-vaxxer. Just sayin.

I don't abandon friends because they have idiotic opinions. If I did I would have had to cut my acquaintance with Brad after he recommended 1995 Hacienda Monasterio.

Nathan's right. And there is a huge difference between having lunatic views and liking things you don't.
 
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by VLM:
You should rename your group. Leo is a bonkers anti-vaxxer. Just sayin.

I don't abandon friends because they have idiotic opinions. If I did I would have had to cut my acquaintance with Brad after he recommended 1995 Hacienda Monasterio.

Nathan's right. And there is a huge difference between having lunatic views and liking things you don't.

Where the hell, after all these years, is the damn "LIKE" button??
 
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
pretty wild to see people who don't know a guy sliming him to people who do

On the internet? Say it ain't so!

He spread BS anti-vaxx crap. If he didn't do that, I'd have nothing to say. Given the issues around vaccine compliance and the public health risks, I won't let that stand.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
pretty wild to see people who don't know a guy sliming him to people who do

On the internet? Say it ain't so!

He spread BS anti-vaxx crap. If he didn't do that, I'd have nothing to say. Given the issues around vaccine compliance and the public health risks, I won't let that stand.

You are perfectly right to call him out on his comments regarding vaccination. However he is a wonderful sweet person and the idea that people should cut off all contact/friendship with someone because they fell for anti-vax BS is abhorrent to me.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
pretty wild to see people who don't know a guy sliming him to people who do

On the internet? Say it ain't so!

He spread BS anti-vaxx crap. If he didn't do that, I'd have nothing to say. Given the issues around vaccine compliance and the public health risks, I won't let that stand.

agreed. wearing ignorance as a badge of courage is hostile to basic civilization.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
pretty wild to see people who don't know a guy sliming him to people who do

On the internet? Say it ain't so!

He spread BS anti-vaxx crap. If he didn't do that, I'd have nothing to say. Given the issues around vaccine compliance and the public health risks, I won't let that stand.

You are perfectly right to call him out on his comments regarding vaccination. However he is a wonderful sweet person and the idea that people should cut off all contact/friendship with someone because they fell for anti-vax BS is abhorrent to me.

the anti-vaxx conspirancy costs human lives. it's not the same as being a member of the flat earth society.
 
Oh, I was just making a point in response to Keith acting surprised that people would say mean things about other people on the internet, even when they don't know the person being discussed.

I have no idea if Leo fell for the anti-vax stuff, or what he is otherwise like as a person, but, in general, I immediately have a lower opinion of everyone who actually falls for that shit. I can acknowledge a given person may be an otherwise sweet, nice person, but for that person to disregard unambiguous science and jeopardize the health and the lives of young, old, and otherwise infirm people because that person is gullible (at best), certainly does not endear the person to me. It takes a lot to make up for something so thoughtless.

My reaction is not unlike how I would react to the otherwise nice, sweet person who continues to be a die-hard Trump supporter after seeing the first two plus years of his "presidency." You better be saving the fucking world in your day job for me to get beyond it.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
pretty wild to see people who don't know a guy sliming him to people who do

On the internet? Say it ain't so!

He spread BS anti-vaxx crap. If he didn't do that, I'd have nothing to say. Given the issues around vaccine compliance and the public health risks, I won't let that stand.

You are perfectly right to call him out on his comments regarding vaccination. However he is a wonderful sweet person and the idea that people should cut off all contact/friendship with someone because they fell for anti-vax BS is abhorrent to me.

Respectfully, if we found abhorrent the cutting off of someone whose views we found abhorrent, we would never take a stand, right? I mean, agreeing to disagree has to have limits, no?
 
There's a big difference between taking the strongest stand possible against someone's position and cutting him off or treating him like a pariah. Argument, expressing social disapproval and censure are all part of a liberal society. Refusing to have anything to do with people over their ideas is not.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
There's a big difference between taking the strongest stand possible against someone's position and cutting him off or treating him like a pariah. Argument, expressing social disapproval and censure are all part of a liberal society. Refusing to have anything to do with people over their ideas is not.
They eventually jailed Typhoid Mary, you know.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
There's a big difference between taking the strongest stand possible against someone's position and cutting him off or treating him like a pariah. Argument, expressing social disapproval and censure are all part of a liberal society. Refusing to have anything to do with people over their ideas is not.
They eventually jailed Typhoid Mary, you know.

She did somewhat more than espouse typhoid. Are you really suggesting throwing anti backers on jail? You will, of course, have first to get the first amendment repealed.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
There's a big difference between taking the strongest stand possible against someone's position and cutting him off or treating him like a pariah. Argument, expressing social disapproval and censure are all part of a liberal society. Refusing to have anything to do with people over their ideas is not.

Refusing to have anything to do with people over their ideas is perfectly consistent with liberal society. Only forcing them to shut up isn’t.
 
Back
Top