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originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
That was my reaction too. Though I do like it.
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It's a funny movie, and Murray gives a great performance. But the apex of American cinematic expression? No, no, no. That's a really tough argument to make, and I don't think he comes close to making it.
 
I hate that movie. Right down there with "What About Bob?".

But then, as Jonathan notes, this is all, if not pissing, then at least singing in the wind: taste is unaccountable, and we might as well be slapping points on these beauties.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Part provocation, part question of taste. I wouldn't say Beethoven, zzz, but I would say Debussy, zzz, and people could shoot arrows at me.
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Just like in Debussys Le Martyre de Saint Sebastien - if you pardon my french.
 
I don't think any of Fish's list would make any top 10 of mine even if I could narrow my top ten down to 50, with the exception probably of Red River. OK, I like Sunset Boulevard and Double Indemnity too, though Double Indemnity for the dialogue, which is probably cheating. The rest are all worth watching though.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I hate that movie. Right down there with "What About Bob?".

But then, as Jonathan notes, this is all, if not pissing, then at least singing in the wind: taste is unaccountable, and we might as well be slapping points on these beauties.
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I liked both these movies. I guess that figures. Murray destroys me when he's in form. The woman I watched 'Bob' with actually stopped dating me because I laughed so much during it.

What comedies would you nominate for the list, Chris? Sharon?
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I hate that movie. Right down there with "What About Bob?".

But then, as Jonathan notes, this is all, if not pissing, then at least singing in the wind: taste is unaccountable, and we might as well be slapping points on these beauties.
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I liked both these movies. I guess that figures. Murray destroys me when he's in form. The woman I watched 'Bob' with actually stopped dating me because I laughed so much during it.

What comedy would you nominate for the list, Chris?
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Well, Dr. Strangelove comes to mind. The Miracle of Morgan's Creek, Bringing Up Baby, The In-Laws, Some Like It Hot, Blazing Saddles, Lost in America, MASH, there's a few that I'd certainly put higher on any list than Groundhog Day.
 
Hmm. Bringing up Baby, Some Like it Hot, and Blazing Saddles would not have crossed my mind. Strangelove, yes, possibly MASH. I need to put Lost in the queue.

Sharon's right, of course, we need points. Without them, I clearly can't tell what's good.
 
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
"L'Avventura" leaves me cold & bored.
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Huh. Whoa, to qoute CC.

Well paced? Not for the XBox generation? But, cold & bored?

I think of Antonioni as a precursor to landscape oriented video artists. Or, even, landscape artists like Goldsworthy who include video in what they're doing. The actors are just a part of the scenery. In some ways, they are best watched without sound.
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I was having a related discussion the other day with some friends. I think it is really hard to watch some of these movies and not feel that they are dated as visual spectacle. Yet film is mostly about the visual tableau and not about narrative, at least the sorts of films you are discussing.

I tend to like narrative, so film isn't a great medium for me being, for the most part, too short for what I'm looking for. (Things like the Wire are what I best appreciate.)

I watched Control the other night and really liked it, but I REALLY, REALLY like Joy Division (the documentary was even more satisfying).

I don't have strong feelings about film, so I'll let you guys finish duking it out on the particulars.

I love my PS3.
 
originally posted by VLM:
I tend to like narrative, so film isn't a great medium for me being, for the most part, too short for what I'm looking for.
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I dont understand this statement. Film is simply visual narrative.
 
originally posted by VLM:


I watched Control the other night and really liked it, but I REALLY, REALLY like Joy Division (the documentary was even more satisfying).
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VLM,
You have, I hope, seen "24 Hour Party People"?

Ian Curtis
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:


I watched Control the other night and really liked it, but I REALLY, REALLY like Joy Division (the documentary was even more satisfying).
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VLM,
You have, I hope, seen "24 Hour Party People"?

Ian Curtis
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Of course. Love Coogan in that role. I thought it was probably a bit beneath the discussion here.
 
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
originally posted by VLM:
I tend to like narrative, so film isn't a great medium for me being, for the most part, too short for what I'm looking for.
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I dont understand this statement. Film is simply visual narrative.
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Um, maybe. I think spectacle is closer to the mark, but it doesn't usually have a satisfying narrative structure and arc for me.

It seems that people who are really into film think that narrative is for sentimental rednecks like me.
 
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