Speaking of Verdicchio
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Christian Miller (CMM)
Christian Miller
This is based on quantitative, statistically significant sensory research on representative consumer samples by experts in the field. Two different projects in the case of white wine (one specifically focused on PG). But this result has showed up in other categories, such as olive oil.
I think your reaction is due to my failure to define "sensitive". I didn't mean discerning, educated or "accurate" palates in the sense of ability to identify various flavor components. I meant people for whom most sensory input is registered very strongly, e.g. what you or I might call a moderate amount of tannin or soft tannin seems intense and bitter to them. This is a significant minority of the population. And yes (sigh), that can often mean preference for overcropped, overfiltered, "stripped" products.
georg lauer
georg lauer
Obviously this is complete hyperbole. While Santa Margherita does not really play any role, many extensive wine lists in Italy have a few PGs from Northern Italy.
Luca Mazzoleni
Luca Mazzoleni
Excuse me? No hyperbole at all. I meant to say what I said. I am 44, I live in North Italy and I know the wine list of hundreds of restaurants, trattoria and enoteca/vineria throughout North Italy. I assure you Pinot Grigios from Friuli or Veneto are by no means a 'staple wine' or 'mainstay wine' or classic 'aperitif wine' here, in the way Soave, Lugana, Arneis, Muller-Thurgau, Friulano (was Tocai) or Ribolla are, and have always been.
And I am talking North/East Italy because forget about the rest of the country, restaurant owners and wine shop owners don't even know or care about Pinot Grigio.
Need further proof that PG is quite irrelevant for our own domestic market? Take a look at how many PG were awarded 'Tre Bicchieri' by Gambero Rosso this year, vis a vis Pinot Bianco (a grape variety that is certainly held in higher consideration here in North Italy by both wine lovers and the producers themselves, and for good reasons).
Alto Adige South Tyrol (0 Pinot Grigio, 5 Pinot Bianco)
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Veneto (0 Pinot Grigio)
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Trentino (0 Pinot Grigio)
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Friuli (1 Pinot Grigio, 5 Pinot Bianco)
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And Gambero Rosso is a wine guide that takes in consideration the export dynamics in their own peculiar 'wine awards' algorithm. Go figure the place PG occupies in the other Italian wine guides.
georg lauer
georg lauer
Christian Miller (CMM)
Christian Miller
Setting aside PG, the stereotype is that in Italy white wines are something of an afterthought, mostly exported, mainly aperitifs or for a few seafood dishes domestically. Never true? True at one time but no longer? I assume there are significant regional differences (as with everything else there), otherwise it's hard to explain the planting patterns in some of the Northeast.
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
Hey, Luca, i give you a Kiss and a hug after several years of enjoying your writing;
I hope you don't hate me to hear that I HATE most Pinot Grigio! Italian, French, whatever. It reminds me of beer every time. I'm not sure what that is but I'm curious about your opinion.
Grazia,
karen
I hope you don't hate me to hear that I HATE most Pinot Grigio! Italian, French, whatever. It reminds me of beer every time. I'm not sure what that is but I'm curious about your opinion.
Grazia,
karen
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
Does this count? I first came across it at Oltre, one of my favorite restaurants in Bologna.
scottreiner
scott reiner
had this last night a great new Korean in BK, Kichin.
devlonmoore
Devlon Moore
Luca-
Many years ago you wrote a list on these boards titled something like “Italian Wines I still wish to drink.” I’d be grateful if you would repost that list or, even better, post an updated one.
Many years ago you wrote a list on these boards titled something like “Italian Wines I still wish to drink.” I’d be grateful if you would repost that list or, even better, post an updated one.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
y'all lemme know when you start the vernaccia di san gimignano sub-thread
Todd Abrams
Todd Abrams
Since we're speaking of Verdicchio we must also be speaking of Lugana.
Ottella's 2015 "Molceo" Lugana Riserva is another recent moderately priced Italian that really delivers the goods. It smells like a seaside homestead with aromas of citrus peel, straw, ocean spray, wet slate, and smoke curling from the glass. A sip is an herbaceous fruit salad of fresh grapefruit, lemon, mandarin, pineapple, and Mirabelle plum. Yet it refuses to be defined as a fruity wine. It finishes with a hint of green almond, and nice length. There’s a lot of wine packed into that little bottle.
Ottella's 2015 "Molceo" Lugana Riserva is another recent moderately priced Italian that really delivers the goods. It smells like a seaside homestead with aromas of citrus peel, straw, ocean spray, wet slate, and smoke curling from the glass. A sip is an herbaceous fruit salad of fresh grapefruit, lemon, mandarin, pineapple, and Mirabelle plum. Yet it refuses to be defined as a fruity wine. It finishes with a hint of green almond, and nice length. There’s a lot of wine packed into that little bottle.
Steve Edmunds
Steve Edmunds
that grape ain't never had enough love