TN: Winter Wines (Feb. 15, 2020)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
Sundry drinks:

Baudry 2014 Chinon Rouge - Day 1: nice wine, nose full of flowers and peppers, but there is some shoe-polish brett in here; Day 4: wine has freshened up quite a bit, the brett is now well in the background, seems more cab than franc now

Turley 2017 Zinfandel "Juvenile" - bought for my brother, who likes his wine big; strangely, the wine has fairly restrained zinnish blueberry flavors and it's rather savory, but the proofage on this beast (15.5%) knocks me out... I got home and was fog-bound for a couple of hours

Prop. Sperino 2015 Coste della Sesion "Uvaggio" - fine tannins, even slightly grippy; medium-weight; the mid-palate resolves into roses and cranberry, the florals making up for a rather austere wine otherwise; great at the table with beef and I'm enjoying it afterwards too

Scott Paul 2011 Pinot Noir "The Long Run" - screwcap; raspberry and roses (maybe rose hips), very Oregon or maybe just very Kelley Fox... fragrant, medium-weight, perhaps a whiff of autolysis but no earth, still it's not a bad moment to drink it

Kelley Fox 2015 Momtazi Vineyard "Tir" - another year in bottle and this wine has shed most of its high-toned treble and is moving to an earthier and fruitier mezzo-soprano; still crisp and pure; gosh, I really need to stop drinking these KF wines so young

Cave de Tain 2017 Cotes du Rhone - yup

Bereche 2015 Champagne Brut Reserve "Rive Gauche" - gorgeous, meunier that isn't very funky, clean, just crisp enough, 3% rs

Grand Puy Lacoste 1995 Pauillac - dry, taut, only modestly tobacco, totally dry, rather more sticks and twigs than fruit, balanced and pleasing

Antichi Vigneti di Cantalupo 2006 Ghemme "Breclemae" - Day 1: hard on opening but starts to blossom after a few minutes, sweet, gently tannic, orthodox nebbiolo that is somehow both luscious and limited; Day 2: this has really come on, now youthful and vigorous with a good helping of nebbiolo spice and a little funk, yum

Dom. Cheze 2013 St-Joseph "Cuvee Anges" - like it was bottled yesterday, like being hit with a phenolic locomotive, comes across as dense as grenache, hold ye gods

Villadoria 1955 Barolo - on opening there is a powerful blast of blue/black fruit; as it sits, the nose recedes and gets oxidatey/sour, the palate remains fresh and firm, peculiar, maybe it needed a day to open up?

Filliatreau 2016 Saumur-Champigny "La Grande Vignolle" - definitely franc but no more pyrazinic than the sausge & pepper pizza it was served with, lightweight, medium crisp, Baudry is moreso more but this is very pure and gulpable, I will never be able to age this

Mas Foulaquier 2013 Pic Saint Loup "Gran’ Tonillieres" - medicinal at first, so severe I thought it was brett!, with air - and food - it becomes intense bitter cherry, fruity and desert dry, it has the same illusory quality as a sable cookie

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At a business event hosted by my company. Eben Lillie presenting!:

Landron, Jo 2017 Muscadet "Les Houx" - formerly "Hermine d'Or"; good muscadet, not especially bright but kinda dense, I'll take it now and later

Grandes Vignes 2018 VdF Bulle Nature Petillant Naturel - chardonnay and chenin and no there there

Meinklang 2018 Burgenland Weisser "Mulatschak" - an orange wine from a white blend that includes gewurztraminer, so many ways this could go wrong but the folks at Meinklang have got it in hand: the orangeing adds weight and texture (and a little color) but does not overwhelm the grapes; ditto the gewurztraminer, which is certainly prominent, but allows the others to sing harmony

Partida Creus 2018 Catalunya Massis de Bonastre VN (Vinel-Lo) Tinto - magnum; brought as an example of glou-glou and it sure is

Jonc Blanc 2016 VdF "Pure M" - malbec; this is appealing: a wine that smells of structure and earth but is racy and fairly lightweight in the mouth, I like this quite a bit

What did the room full of non-geeks do? They ignored the muscadet and the fizz, drank the orange and malbec till gone, and wound down with the glou.

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At an in-store tasting:

All Papras Bio Wines wines are made from scarce autochthonous Greek grapes, picked rather early to preserve freshness, 10 days on the skins, ambient yeasts, then bottled as-is with a small sulfur dose.

Papras Bio Wines 2019 "Pleiades" - varietal roditis, a semi-aromatic grape, this wine reminds me of Alsatian pinot gris (or something like that), there is a delicate sense of pineapple and herbs; not exciting but interesting

Papras Bio Wines 2019 "Naiads" - varietal badiki, this wine is a bit darker orange with an apricot/redfruit-tinged flavor profile, too; less shapely than the roditis however

Papras Bio Wines 2019 "Oreads" - varietal black muscat of Tyrnavos, fermented to dry, this does not suit me, it is weird to taste muscatty florality with no sugar to buoy it up (I feel similarly about brachetto d'acqui)

Stilianou 2019 "Great Mother" Red - varietal mandilari, the tannat of random Greek grapes, this red wine sat on its skins for a single day (otherwise it would be darkest purple), even at just one day this is quite tannic and, alas, not particularly charming

Chais du Vieux Bourg 2012 Cotes du Jura "B.B.1" - Bindernagel and Eigenschenck are now calling themselves "Lulu" so middlemen are blowing out the old label; hard to tell on one sip whether this is an off-bottle or just Jura tweakiness; anybody had this lately?

Viña Maitia 2018 Maule Valley Carignan "Weon" - varietal carignan, 60-year-old vines, spicy, grippy, texture is lightweight so it's probably not a keeper but what a great quaffing wine, yum

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With Mark and Jean at Racines:

Hudelot-Noellat 2014 Bourgogne Rouge - after just a few minutes this starts to open nicely... fruit/floral nose is friendly, not too outgoing, but the palate is more meaty and very pinot, nice

Dom. l'Anglore (Eric Pfifferling) 2017 Tavel Rose - ah, that's the ticket: a rose about as dark as any Jura red and some Burgundies, racy and fresh (and proof that you can make good wine with grenache!)
 
Cool reach & range. Surprised the Partida Creus was not volatile up (or down) the wazoo. By Bérèche Rives you mean the Rive Gauche?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

With Mark and Jean at Racines:

Hudelot-Noellat 2014 Bourgogne Rouge - after just a few minutes this starts to open nicely... fruit/floral nose is friendly, not too outgoing, but the palate is more meaty and very pinot, nice

Dom. l'Anglore (Eric Pfifferling) 2017 Tavel Rose - ah, that's the ticket: a rose about as dark as any Jura red and some Burgundies, racy and fresh (and proof that you can make good wine with Grenache).

Thanks for posting this, Jeff. One of the challenges with ordering off a list, even one as inspiring as Racines’, is to find wines that are open and at least halfway ready. I was worried that the Bourgogne would be shut down but that proved not to be the case. And the Bobo chicken was worth the price of admission.

Would that my work events were supplied by Eben Lillie. Most of the time, we get cheap CA wines with ersatz labels. You do indeed drink well.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
Thanks for posting this, Jeff. One of the challenges with ordering off a list, even one as inspiring as Racines’, is to find wines that are open and at least halfway ready. I was worried that the Bourgogne would be shut down but that proved not to be the case.
It's true that restaurants are just as obligated as the rest of us to buy wines that are young (or too young).

And the Bobo chicken was worth the price of admission.
Glad to hear you say that. I think so, too.

Would that my work events were supplied by Eben Lillie. Most of the time, we get cheap CA wines with ersatz labels. You do indeed drink well.
I have made sure that people at work know that I'm the wine geek. If I'm at dinner with a customer, the list comes to me automatically.

I even hold the exotic distinction of being the only consultant at my company who brought a bottle to a customer site, to be consumed during work hours, and to be reimbursed for it. (Bunch of Barolo-heads at this particular customer so I brought them some Brovia.)

When one of the sales guys wanted to do a wine event along with a pitch to sell IBM Cloud-Paks... I sent a few emails to my local faves. (Of whom, exactly two responded and I chose Chambers.)
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
I have made sure that people at work know that I'm the wine geek. If I'm at dinner with a customer, the list comes to me automatically.

I take the opposite approach. I don't let anyone at work know about my food and wine activities. Usually just two or three people, sworn to secrecy. Eventually, folks can find out if they want to but I really don't want to be the "wine guy" to people I work with.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
I have made sure that people at work know that I'm the wine geek. If I'm at dinner with a customer, the list comes to me automatically.

I take the opposite approach. I don't let anyone at work know about my food and wine activities. Usually just two or three people, sworn to secrecy. Eventually, folks can find out if they want to but I really don't want to be the "wine guy" to people I work with.

The cat's out of the bag for me. The upside is that the wine list always get passed to me when we're taking a visiting dignitary out to dinner (the downside is that these wine lists usually are slim pickins).

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
I have made sure that people at work know that I'm the wine geek. If I'm at dinner with a customer, the list comes to me automatically.

I take the opposite approach. I don't let anyone at work know about my food and wine activities. Usually just two or three people, sworn to secrecy. Eventually, folks can find out if they want to but I really don't want to be the "wine guy" to people I work with.

The cat's out of the bag for me. The upside is that the wine list always get passed to me when we're taking a visiting dignitary out to dinner (the downside is that these wine lists usually are slim pickins).

Mark Lipton
Assuming you want them to actually enjoy the wines, picking the wines for a random group of palates is a completely different activity from picking wines for various tribes of wine geeks or winemakers.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Turley 2017 Zinfandel "Juvenile" - bought for my brother, who likes his wine big; strangely, the wine has fairly restrained zinnish blueberry flavors and it's rather savory, but the proofage on this beast (15.5%) knocks me out... I got home and was fog-bound for a couple of hours.
Turley Zins are strange wines for me, generally too ripe/cloying/long hangtime for my taste, but not overripe in the pruney/raisined sense and they usually carry their high alcohol pretty well. Maybe we should think of them as a lighter craft cordial?

b>Scott Paul 2011/Kelly Fox 2015 Pinot Noirs "The Long Run" - screwcap; raspberry and roses (maybe rose hips), very Oregon or maybe just very Kelley Fox..I really need to stop drinking these KF wines so young.
2011 in OR reminds me of 1998 in Napa, a lean but fine vintage that the pointillists just didn't get. I've stopped opening my 2014 and 2015 Willamette Pinots, having decided there's much more coming down the road.

b>Cave de Tain 2017 Cotes du Rhone - yup
For me there are times when "yup"+cheap is just right for CdR. Ditto Navarra rose' and many SBs.

b>Stilianou 2019 "Great Mother" Red - varietal mandilari, the tannat of random Greek grapes, this red wine sat on its skins for a single day (otherwise it would be darkest purple), even at just one day this is quite tannic and, alas, not particularly charming.
Is this a teinturier grape?

b>Dom. l'Anglore (Eric Pfifferling) 2017 Tavel Rose - ah, that's the ticket: a rose about as dark as any Jura red and some Burgundies, racy and fresh (and proof that you can make good wine with grenache!)
Sounds great. I'm so tired of people copying the modern Provence style; especially if it comes from an area that can do other styles so much better.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
I'm so tired of people copying the modern Provence style; especially if it comes from an area that can do other styles so much better.

Last summer I drank a large amount of Chateau Le Puy Rose 2017, and this summer I plan on drinking a lot of the 2018. I have been drinking the basic red for years, but I just found out about the rose and hot damn! Francs Cotes de Bordeaux, on the same plateau as Saint Emilion and Pomerol. 100% Merlot, Biodynamic, de-stemmed grapes, no sulfur, indigenous yeast, saignee, unfined and unfiltered. Very serious stuff. Relatively delicate, but deep and soulful.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
I'm so tired of people copying the modern Provence style; especially if it comes from an area that can do other styles so much better.

Last summer I drank a large amount of Chateau Le Puy Rose 2017, and this summer I plan on drinking a lot of the 2018. I have been drinking the basic red for years, but I just found out about the rose and hot damn! Francs Cotes de Bordeaux, on the same plateau as Saint Emilion and Pomerol. 100% Merlot, Biodynamic, de-stemmed grapes, no sulfur, indigenous yeast, saignee, unfined and unfiltered. Very serious stuff. Relatively delicate, but deep and soulful.

Sounds like my kind of thing, I'll look for it, thanks. Although zero sulfur makes me nervous. Coincidentally, one of the best zero-SO2 wines in my experience was a Jordan Merlot in South Africa.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
Scott Paul 2011/Kelly Fox 2015 Pinot Noirs
2011 in OR reminds me of 1998 in Napa, a lean but fine vintage that the pointillists just didn't get. I've stopped opening my 2014 and 2015 Willamette Pinots, having decided there's much more coming down the road.
Thanks for the VG. I don't have broad enough experience with the vintages up there.

b>Stilianou 2019 "Great Mother" Red - varietal mandilari, the tannat of random Greek grapes, this red wine sat on its skins for a single day (otherwise it would be darkest purple), even at just one day this is quite tannic and, alas, not particularly charming.
Is this a teinturier grape?
I do not know. Information on this grape (on the net) is not deep and I did not ask. I checked a couple of different Jancis tomes to no avail.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
I'm so tired of people copying the modern Provence style; especially if it comes from an area that can do other styles so much better.

Last summer I drank a large amount of Chateau Le Puy Rose 2017, and this summer I plan on drinking a lot of the 2018. I have been drinking the basic red for years, but I just found out about the rose and hot damn! Francs Cotes de Bordeaux, on the same plateau as Saint Emilion and Pomerol. 100% Merlot, Biodynamic, de-stemmed grapes, no sulfur, indigenous yeast, saignee, unfined and unfiltered. Very serious stuff. Relatively delicate, but deep and soulful.

Sounds like my kind of thing, I'll look for it, thanks. Although zero sulfur makes me nervous. Coincidentally, one of the best zero-SO2 wines in my experience was a Jordan Merlot in South Africa.

Technically 'natural' wine by recipe, but not by profile.
 
"It's true that restaurants are just as obligated as the rest of us to buy wines that are young (or too young)."

actually even more obligated than the private customer, since wholesale purchases are required to be with distirbutors licensed in the state that the restuarnt is in. no mail order purchases of older wines from online purveyors. and these distributors that can legally be purchased from almost always have only current release wines.
 
originally posted by robert ames:
"It's true that restaurants are just as obligated as the rest of us to buy wines that are young (or too young)."

actually even more obligated than the private customer, since wholesale purchases are required to be with distirbutors licensed in the state that the restuarnt is in. no mail order purchases of older wines from online purveyors. and these distributors that can legally be purchased from almost always have only current release wines.

Restaurants aren’t barred from buying wine st auction are they? Or is that dependent on locale?

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by robert ames:
"It's true that restaurants are just as obligated as the rest of us to buy wines that are young (or too young)."

actually even more obligated than the private customer, since wholesale purchases are required to be with distirbutors licensed in the state that the restuarnt is in. no mail order purchases of older wines from online purveyors. and these distributors that can legally be purchased from almost always have only current release wines.

Restaurants aren’t barred from buying wine st auction are they? Or is that dependent on locale?

Mark Lipton

in the state of washington (with what i believe is a typical 3 tier system) i can only buy from wholesalers licensed in the state of washington.
 
originally posted by Lee Short:
I have that fishiness problem with scallops and damn near any wine I've tried. Anybody have a good pairing for scallops?

Muscadet? Chablis? How are you preparing the scallops?

Mark Lipton
 
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