Good and Baden

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I was curious, and so I bought. How could you not be, when the seller called them "these were the best Spatburgunders that Baden, and possibly all of Germany, had to offer"? Yeah, I'm a sucker for the spiel. So maybe I held them too long? Perhaps...

Henrik Mobitz, Baden, Pinot Noir, 'Kanzel', 2012<
Henrik Mobitz, Baden, Pinot Noir, 'Koepfle', 2012

I'm going to clump these together because - stylistically - they are so similar. Both at 13% alcohol, the color is very light and both are quite acidic and remind me of lesser 2008 red Burgundy. Thin, acidic, and very savory. I would say 'red fruited', but really that is a stretch, as the fruit is on the savory end (think apple skin and cherry bark, more akin to roots and leaves than the actual fruit) and very uncharming and austere. One had a slight reductiveness, with sulfur on the finish. One of the bottles I had to stop drinking after about a 1/3rd of it...at least I can cook with it. 1 more of each remaining, but not sure if time will be kind to it.
 
I was curious, and so I bought. How could you not be, when the seller called them "these were the best Spatburgunders that Baden, and possibly all of Germany, had to offer"? Yeah, I'm a sucker for the spiel.
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Depends on who the seller is.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
Good and BadenI was curious, and so I bought. How could you not be, when the seller called them "these were the best Spatburgunders that Baden, and possibly all of Germany, had to offer"?
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Meh. Is Baden wine all that wonderful?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by MarkS:
Good and BadenI was curious, and so I bought. How could you not be, when the seller called them "these were the best Spatburgunders that Baden, and possibly all of Germany, had to offer"?
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Meh. Is Baden wine all that wonderful?
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Some of it is amazing, the changes and improvement over the last decade have been truly remarkable. My personal favorites are Holger Koch, Ziereisen, and indeed Moebitz. What I had from the latter so far in white and red was all exceptional, and did rank among the top German wines (but that did not include any 2012).

In any case, no need to think about buying any. The owner, whose main job is being a scientist at Roche, stopped making wine for sale. One of the vineyards will now be used by Wasenhaus, another pretty interesting Baden winery.
 
I haven't had the Mobitz wines so can't comment on them, but in Baden I am completely gaga for Enderle & Moll. I know they are a different animal in many ways, but given the price point and how beautifully they drink in the first 5 years after release, these wines have basically gotten me to stop buying Burgundy. I like Ziereisen very much too, although my experience there is on a smaller sample size.
 
originally posted by Marty L.:
I haven't had the Mobitz wines so can't comment on them, but in Baden I am completely gaga for Enderle & Moll. I know they are a different animal in many ways, but given the price point and how beautifully they drink in the first 5 years after release, these wines have basically gotten me to stop buying Burgundy. I like Ziereisen very much too, although my experience there is on a smaller sample size.
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For me, it’s E&M, Ziereisen and Holger Koch. I never got the chance to try Henrik Möbitz’s wines, which is a real disappointment since he’s a (bio)chemist.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Marty L.:
I haven't had the Mobitz wines so can't comment on them, but in Baden I am completely gaga for Enderle & Moll. I know they are a different animal in many ways, but given the price point and how beautifully they drink in the first 5 years after release, these wines have basically gotten me to stop buying Burgundy. I like Ziereisen very much too, although my experience there is on a smaller sample size.
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For me, it’s E&M, Ziereisen and Holger Koch. I never got the chance to try Henrik Möbitz’s wines, which is a real disappointment since he’s a (bio)chemist.

Mark Lipton
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I like E&M also, and Mark, if you're ever in the area...still have the other 2 to clear.
 
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