CWD: '02 N Joly Clos de la Bergerie

[Yixin]

The Joly wines need a lot of time, especially Coule de Serrant. I am happy to drink any vintage of the wine, treating as a learning experience even when it does not provide straightforward pleasure.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Otto Nieminen:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Calling him an ayatollah is plain ridiculous.

Why? He preaches extremism and really doesn't want to hear anything else.

You have misunderstood what an ayatollah is. Just because some have preached extremism doesn't make the word synonymous with it. An ayatollah is simply one of the highest clerical ranks in Shi'ite Islam, usually given to experts on Islamic jurisprudence. So if you want an Islamic term to denote extremism, Taliban is much better as it really does seem to be an extremist movement, whereas there is much variation within the 20 or so ayatollahs presently alive.

Yes, Otto, I'm aware of what a "real" ayatollah is and I appreciate the Taliban suggestion. However, in the US, thanks to the 1979 hostage crisis created by Ayatollah Khomeini, we have it etched in our minds that ayatollah's are extremist, intolerant wackos. Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US by the current grand poobah ayatollah in Iran have only re-enforced that perception. Seeing as I find Joly's behavior reminiscent to that of an ayatollah as there's an obvious fanatic and intolerant aspect to him, he's certainly preachy and his actions have caused untold suffering amongst the vines in his vineyard and the palates of the former fans of the wines from the estate, I think the term fits, though it is most definitely snarky.

 

[VLM]

of teaching the central-limit theorem to undergrads.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by Yixin:
The Joly wines need a lot of time, especially Coule de Serrant. I am happy to drink any vintage of the wine, treating as a learning experience even when it does not provide straightforward pleasure.

Yes, but the reason the wines don't always provide pleasure is that Joly is an indifferent winemaker. The government should expropriate the vineyards and give them to someone with more talent. Then we can talk about Musigny.

 

[Chris Coad]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Otto Nieminen:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Calling him an ayatollah is plain ridiculous.

Why? He preaches extremism and really doesn't want to hear anything else.

You have misunderstood what an ayatollah is. Just because some have preached extremism doesn't make the word synonymous with it. An ayatollah is simply one of the highest clerical ranks in Shi'ite Islam, usually given to experts on Islamic jurisprudence. So if you want an Islamic term to denote extremism, Taliban is much better as it really does seem to be an extremist movement, whereas there is much variation within the 20 or so ayatollahs presently alive.

Yes, Otto, I'm aware of what a "real" ayatollah is and I appreciate the Taliban suggestion. However, in the US, thanks to the 1979 hostage crisis created by Ayatollah Khomeini, we have it etched in our minds that ayatollah's are extremist, intolerant wackos. Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US by the current grand poobah ayatollah in Iran have only re-enforced that perception. Seeing as I find Joly's behavior reminiscent to that of an ayatollah as there's an obvious fanatic and intolerant aspect to him, he's certainly preachy and his actions have caused untold suffering amongst the vines in his vineyard and the palates of the former fans of the wines from the estate, I think the term fits, though it is most definitely snarky.

Brad, can you explain the difference between a pomelo and a persimmon?

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Otto Nieminen:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Calling him an ayatollah is plain ridiculous.

Why? He preaches extremism and really doesn't want to hear anything else.

You have misunderstood what an ayatollah is. Just because some have preached extremism doesn't make the word synonymous with it. An ayatollah is simply one of the highest clerical ranks in Shi'ite Islam, usually given to experts on Islamic jurisprudence. So if you want an Islamic term to denote extremism, Taliban is much better as it really does seem to be an extremist movement, whereas there is much variation within the 20 or so ayatollahs presently alive.

Yes, Otto, I'm aware of what a "real" ayatollah is and I appreciate the Taliban suggestion. However, in the US, thanks to the 1979 hostage crisis created by Ayatollah Khomeini, we have it etched in our minds that ayatollah's are extremist, intolerant wackos. Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US by the current grand poobah ayatollah in Iran have only re-enforced that perception. Seeing as I find Joly's behavior reminiscent to that of an ayatollah as there's an obvious fanatic and intolerant aspect to him, he's certainly preachy and his actions have caused untold suffering amongst the vines in his vineyard and the palates of the former fans of the wines from the estate, I think the term fits, though it is most definitely snarky.

Otto, Brad Kane speaks for all American citizens. He is the true bell-weather.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by VLM:

Otto, Brad Kane speaks for all American citizens. He is the true bell-weather.

Actually, VLM represents the redneck lobby most effectively.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Chris Coad:

Brad, can you explain the difference between a pomelo and a persimmon?

There really isn't one. They're both fruits that come from trees, though persimmons go a little better with pork.

 

[Chris Coad]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Chris Coad:

Brad, can you explain the difference between a pomelo and a persimmon?

There really isn't one. They're both fruits that come from trees, though persimmons go a little better with pork.

Thanks, man, that's sort of what I thought but wasn't sure, so I figured I'd do best to give a quick shout out while you were in Explainer Man! mode.

 

[Florida Jim]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by VLM:

Otto, Brad Kane speaks for all American citizens. He is the true bell-weather.

Actually, VLM represents the redneck lobby most effectively.

Fuckin' a.
Best, Jim

 

[Saina Nieminen]

originally posted by VLM:
This reminds meof teaching the central-limit theorem to undergrads.

I don't understand this thread from this point on. Is it because I never got along with probability? And what's with the bellweathers and red neck lobbies?

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Chris Coad:
while you were in Explainer Man! mode.

Well, you were right, Herr Cod. Explaining things does make them funnier.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by Chris Coad:
persimmon

I am glad to see people talking about Sharon Fruit on this board.

 

[mlawton]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Otto Nieminen:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Calling him an ayatollah is plain ridiculous.

Why? He preaches extremism and really doesn't want to hear anything else.

You have misunderstood what an ayatollah is. Just because some have preached extremism doesn't make the word synonymous with it. An ayatollah is simply one of the highest clerical ranks in Shi'ite Islam, usually given to experts on Islamic jurisprudence. So if you want an Islamic term to denote extremism, Taliban is much better as it really does seem to be an extremist movement, whereas there is much variation within the 20 or so ayatollahs presently alive.

Yes, Otto, I'm aware of what a "real" ayatollah is and I appreciate the Taliban suggestion. However, in the US, thanks to the 1979 hostage crisis created by Ayatollah Khomeini, we have it etched in our minds that ayatollah's are extremist, intolerant wackos. Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US by the current grand poobah ayatollah in Iran have only re-enforced that perception. Seeing as I find Joly's behavior reminiscent to that of an ayatollah as there's an obvious fanatic and intolerant aspect to him, he's certainly preachy and his actions have caused untold suffering amongst the vines in his vineyard and the palates of the former fans of the wines from the estate, I think the term fits, though it is most definitely snarky.

Nice rant, but the fact checkers think you might be referring to the current President of Iran by "current grand poobah ayatollah" and they believe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a secular head of state.

 

[Chris Coad]

originally posted by mlawton:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Otto Nieminen:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Calling him an ayatollah is plain ridiculous.

Why? He preaches extremism and really doesn't want to hear anything else.

You have misunderstood what an ayatollah is. Just because some have preached extremism doesn't make the word synonymous with it. An ayatollah is simply one of the highest clerical ranks in Shi'ite Islam, usually given to experts on Islamic jurisprudence. So if you want an Islamic term to denote extremism, Taliban is much better as it really does seem to be an extremist movement, whereas there is much variation within the 20 or so ayatollahs presently alive.

Yes, Otto, I'm aware of what a "real" ayatollah is and I appreciate the Taliban suggestion. However, in the US, thanks to the 1979 hostage crisis created by Ayatollah Khomeini, we have it etched in our minds that ayatollah's are extremist, intolerant wackos. Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US by the current grand poobah ayatollah in Iran have only re-enforced that perception. Seeing as I find Joly's behavior reminiscent to that of an ayatollah as there's an obvious fanatic and intolerant aspect to him, he's certainly preachy and his actions have caused untold suffering amongst the vines in his vineyard and the palates of the former fans of the wines from the estate, I think the term fits, though it is most definitely snarky.

Nice rant, but the fact checkers think you might be referring to the current President of Iran by "current grand poobah ayatollah" and they believe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a secular head of state.

I'd assumed he was referring to Khamenei...?

 

[mlawton]

originally posted by Chris Coad:

originally posted by mlawton:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Otto Nieminen:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Calling him an ayatollah is plain ridiculous.

Why? He preaches extremism and really doesn't want to hear anything else.

You have misunderstood what an ayatollah is. Just because some have preached extremism doesn't make the word synonymous with it. An ayatollah is simply one of the highest clerical ranks in Shi'ite Islam, usually given to experts on Islamic jurisprudence. So if you want an Islamic term to denote extremism, Taliban is much better as it really does seem to be an extremist movement, whereas there is much variation within the 20 or so ayatollahs presently alive.

Yes, Otto, I'm aware of what a "real" ayatollah is and I appreciate the Taliban suggestion. However, in the US, thanks to the 1979 hostage crisis created by Ayatollah Khomeini, we have it etched in our minds that ayatollah's are extremist, intolerant wackos. Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US by the current grand poobah ayatollah in Iran have only re-enforced that perception. Seeing as I find Joly's behavior reminiscent to that of an ayatollah as there's an obvious fanatic and intolerant aspect to him, he's certainly preachy and his actions have caused untold suffering amongst the vines in his vineyard and the palates of the former fans of the wines from the estate, I think the term fits, though it is most definitely snarky.

Nice rant, but the fact checkers think you might be referring to the current President of Iran by "current grand poobah ayatollah" and they believe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a secular head of state.

I'd assumed he was referring to Khamenei...?

I believe the "Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US" fits more with Ahmadinejad than Khamenei, no? Ahmadinejad is the outspoken one.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by mlawton:


I believe the "Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US" fits more with Ahmadinejad than Khamenei, no? Ahmadinejad is the outspoken one.

No, I was referring to Khamenei. You need to go back to Rafsanjani for a more "moderate" grand poobah.

I look at Ahmadinejad as Iran's own VLM.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by mlawton:


I believe the "Statements over the years regarding Israel and the US" fits more with Ahmadinejad than Khamenei, no? Ahmadinejad is the outspoken one.

No, I was referring to Khamenei. You need to go back to Rafsanjani for a more "moderate" grand poobah.

I look at Ahmadinejad as Iran's own VLM.

Rafsanjani was a president. As is Ahmadinejad. As was Bush.

I think the VLM is more of an Ayatollah.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by VLM:

Rafsanjani was a president.

Yeah, you're right. His attire had me confused. I stand corrected.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by VLM:

Rafsanjani was a president.

Yeah, you're right. His attire had me confused. I stand corrected.

You dare stand in front of the Ayatollah. You KNEEL corrected.