2017 Stephane Magnien MSD Cuvee Aux Petites Noix - The point is finally made

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Tom Blach:

originally posted by Rahsaan:
You must really be on old prices Tom.

The 1er crus are all well below $100, and the CSD and Charmes are just a bit more than $100. All of which seems quite fair for 2020.

Quite fair indeed, but too expensive for me like nearly all Cote De Nuits wines in 2020. Our currency has been eviscerated by lunatics.

Internet advertising has attracted better-heeled markets. We are but poor and lowly connoisseurs.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Tom Blach:
I haven't had an S.Magnien that has thrilled me but they are an improvement on his father Jean-Paul's wines.

This of course can't remain un-addressed, and it seems like I am going to take one for the team. What's curious about this is the fact that the famous Morey producers (and in most cases, justifiably famous) make wines that don't leave the house to go down to the drug store without putting on lots of makeup. And the fancier the appellations, the more exaggerated the phenomenon. This isn't to say that there is anything inherently wrong with that or that the wines aren't as good as they should be, but rather that they reset our expectations when we open a 1er or a Grand Cru. We are expecting something "fancy" in addition to "good." Magnien is not like that. You will of course recall a fellow in the same village by the name of Truchot who wasn't either. This is not a direct comparison, or if it is then it's limited to this one symptom. But like you I also wish the village msd was still selling in the 30s.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Tom Blach:
I haven't had an S.Magnien that has thrilled me but they are an improvement on his father Jean-Paul's wines.

This of course can't remain un-addressed, and it seems like I am going to take one for the team. What's curious about this is the fact that the famous Morey producers (and in most cases, justifiably famous) make wines that don't leave the house to go down to the drug store without putting on lots of makeup. And the fancier the appellations, the more exaggerated the phenomenon. This isn't to say that there is anything inherently wrong with that or that the wines aren't as good as they should be, but rather that they reset our expectations when we open a 1er or a Grand Cru. We are expecting something "fancy" in addition to "good." Magnien is not like that. You will of course recall a fellow in the same village by the name of Truchot who wasn't either. This is not a direct comparison, or if it is then it's limited to this one symptom. But like you I also wish the village msd was still selling in the 30s.

This, though I feel like thinking that the almost universal "the higher the cuvée the thicker the makeup" syndrome IS inherently wrong because it prevents us from fully tasting how the grapes behave in each place. The monks may have determined eons ago that they behave much better over here than over there, but by the time the wine gets to us, that differential is probably slathered with x, y & z, so we can't fully experience one of the main reasons, if not the reason (other than pure taste bud pleasure), for drinking Burgundies.

 

[Tom Blach]

Fair points, but I am more thrilled by purity than makeup, even though it might justifiably be contended that purity is itself an artificial construct.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Tom Blach:
Fair points, but I am more thrilled by purity than makeup, even though it might justifiably be contended that purity is itself an artificial construct.

Why the "but"? Aren't we all?

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Tom Blach:
Fair points, but I am more thrilled by purity than makeup, even though it might justifiably be contended that purity is itself an artificial construct.

Why the "but"? Aren't we all?

I have the T-shirt. Does that count?

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Tom Blach:
Fair points, but I am more thrilled by purity than makeup, even though it might justifiably be contended that purity is itself an artificial construct.

Why the "but"? Aren't we all?

I have the T-shirt. Does that count?

It does, because all t-shirt captions matter.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Any thoughts on pre-'Stephan' vintages? This used to be Jean-Paul, Magnien, qué no?

I had a couple of ‘05s from Magnien pere that we’re sold to me as Stephane wines (naughty!). I wasn’t impressed.

Mark Lipton

Mine were cheaply-priced magnums from Premiere Cru. Brought one to TG maybe 5 years ago - modest flavors but very nice weight and textures and a favorite among those drinking. Must find one of the others soon and see what's going on.

I've been trying to leave my 05's in peace. Tho', come to think of it, a recent 05 Jadot Beaune Greves was drinking very nicely.

Stephen King needs to write a novel about my crawl space.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by maureen:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
I am still on the fence. Any 10 I've tried recently is obviously delicious but very "vintage" right now. But S Magnien 10s were particularly pure and bullshit-free, so perhaps I should take one for the team and crack an msd village.

Please do

Yum.

It will improve though. No threat of generic tertiary here anytime soon, and there are a couple of item to be resolved on the palate.