2002 & 2005 Loire C&P Breton & Baudry...

Karen Goetz

Karen Goetz
...I think I finally understand "thread drift" (Jesus Mary and Joseph, she expostulates!):

I'm placing some notes here that I wrote in response to "Food Pairing for 1999 Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese? " because they are specific to Loire and because I respect the folks who asked me questions about my post on 2002 C&P Breton 'Clos Senechal." Perhaps this will spark a discussion particular to the region in 2002 and 2005.

Tasting note:

2002 Clos Senechal was lovely. I tasted it over 3 days....
Brett not noticeable.

Bouquet:
Day 1: Bouquet is very pretty and gentle at first opening in glass though somewhat taut; it becomes refined and almost floral after 30+ minutes in glass; stony glass-hearted cold red fruit perfumes and purple woods flowers.

Day 3: The Bouquet has high toned, slightly taut bright notes to it; I smell acidity (nice); there is finally a little bit of black soil underneath the overall bouquet of red cold fruits softly perfumed; ultimately it has a tiny smokiness like the smell of a pile of fallen oak leaves.

Taste:
Day 1: Taste is gently taut and mouth-perfumed with tisane-like fruit; not tired; taste has tiny tiny tannins that are lovely and give the fruit a shimmer of graininess.

Day3: Taste is still taut today but also has more perfumed qualities around the stoniness and tiny tannins; has a slightly puffy quality to it now and is not so angular but there is a structure to it; my first impression as the wine enters my mouth is of fruit (currants, sour cherries) immediately followed by a blush of acidity, solemnity of tannins, nice chalkiness.

"Does this make 05 Senechal/Perrieres infanticide?"
posted by Ian Fitzsimmons 06-12-20 1:41pm

Ian,

I think not at all. 2005 was so beautiful in the Loire for reds and Clos Senechal is such a pure wine. Perrières is more clench-stony to me but I'd still be curious now. 2005 is the vintage that had such balance it will be wonderful to taste some of them now as well as later. I tasted several cuvées of 2005 Baudry and Breton just 3-5 years after the vintage to see what they are like young, and though they were clearly young and feisty with furlongs to go they were really good. I tasted Alliet Chinon A.C. a few days ago and it was so pretty and pure; not striving or showy, just loveliness.
If anything you will be tasting Clos Senechal before its heady fruits start to gentle.
2002 Clos Senechal was very relaxed and I'm glad I drank it and didn't wait.

posted by Karen Goetz 06-13-20 12:20am [edit]
 
I always thought thread drift was an artificial label that non-Therapeutic/non-Disorderly folks from other Wine Boards complain about when poking the toe here and previously Wine Therapy. Long live thread drift, whatever it is!

For Breton and Baudry, I don’t think the ‘05s (or ‘04s) are quite ready yet. Still some structure to resolve. This is from sporadic bottles over the last 3 years or so. But they are getting there. I need to start pulling my ‘02s based on your note and others.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
For Breton and Baudry, I don’t think the ‘05s (or ‘04s) are quite ready yet.

don't know, man. I have amazing patience as you know, but I could not keep my hands off 04 grezeaux or picasses. Even when the former was in mag. Or should I say especially so.

05 is a different, longer story, told in extinct languages
 
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
2002 & 2005 Loire C&P Breton & Baudry......I think I finally understand "thread drift" (Jesus Mary and Joseph, she expostulates!):

I'm placing some notes here that I wrote in response to "Food Pairing for 1999 Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese? " because they are specific to Loire and because I respect the folks who asked me questions about my post on 2002 C&P Breton 'Clos Senechal." Perhaps this will spark a discussion particular to the region in 2002 and 2005.

Tasting note:

2002 Clos Senechal was lovely. I tasted it over 3 days....
Brett not noticeable.

Bouquet:
Day 1: Bouquet is very pretty and gentle at first opening in glass though somewhat taut; it becomes refined and almost floral after 30+ minutes in glass; stony glass-hearted cold red fruit perfumes and purple woods flowers.

Day 3: The Bouquet has high toned, slightly taut bright notes to it; I smell acidity (nice); there is finally a little bit of black soil underneath the overall bouquet of red cold fruits softly perfumed; ultimately it has a tiny smokiness like the smell of a pile of fallen oak leaves.

Taste:
Day 1: Taste is gently taut and mouth-perfumed with tisane-like fruit; not tired; taste has tiny tiny tannins that are lovely and give the fruit a shimmer of graininess.

Day3: Taste is still taut today but also has more perfumed qualities around the stoniness and tiny tannins; has a slightly puffy quality to it now and is not so angular but there is a structure to it; my first impression as the wine enters my mouth is of fruit (currants, sour cherries) immediately followed by a blush of acidity, solemnity of tannins, nice chalkiness.

"Does this make 05 Senechal/Perrieres infanticide?"
posted by Ian Fitzsimmons 06-12-20 1:41pm

Ian,

I think not at all. 2005 was so beautiful in the Loire for reds and Clos Senechal is such a pure wine. Perrières is more clench-stony to me but I'd still be curious now. 2005 is the vintage that had such balance it will be wonderful to taste some of them now as well as later. I tasted several cuvées of 2005 Baudry and Breton just 3-5 years after the vintage to see what they are like young, and though they were clearly young and feisty with furlongs to go they were really good. I tasted Alliet Chinon A.C. a few days ago and it was so pretty and pure; not striving or showy, just loveliness.
If anything you will be tasting Clos Senechal before its heady fruits start to gentle.
2002 Clos Senechal was very relaxed and I'm glad I drank it and didn't wait.

posted by Karen Goetz 06-13-20 12:20am [edit]

I just saw your reply, Karen; thank you. I opened a bottle in 2015, may be time to check back in.

There's some truth in Matt Kramer's assertion that, for cellar-worthy wines, you almost need to buy a case if you want to follow their evolution all the way through. Well. Half a case. A full case if you want to have extra bottles to drink at the good times.
 
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