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originally posted by VLM:

What do you make of the studies that show different fMRI patterns for self-labeled "conservatives" versus "liberals/progressives"? That is the former accesses regions mostly associated with emotion and the latter with reason.
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Tough to know. I think you and I have discussed before how the intersection of these different fields makes it very difficult to find people competent enough to evaluate all angles of those studies.

Plus, I think we're still in the early days of forming a consensus, and some of the results have been fragile/contradicted by subsequent studies. I'm not deep into the field, but I do follow it a bit and assign some of the latest readings for one or two of my classes each year.

I'm also prone to be skeptical, because in my personal experience 'reason' is not the main adjective I would use for liberals/progressives. But I'm willing to be convinced!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:

What do you make of the studies that show different fMRI patterns for self-labeled "conservatives" versus "liberals/progressives"? That is the former accesses regions mostly associated with emotion and the latter with reason.
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Tough to know. I think you and I have discussed before how the intersection of these different fields makes it very difficult to find people competent enough to evaluate all angles of those studies.

Plus, I think we're still in the early days of forming a consensus, and some of the results have been fragile/contradicted by subsequent studies. I'm not deep into the field, but I do follow it a bit and assign some of the latest readings for one or two of my classes each year.

I'm also prone to be skeptical, because in my personal experience 'reason' is not the main adjective I would use for liberals/progressives. But I'm willing to be convinced!
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I'm generally skeptical of a lot of fMRI stuff as a statistician because it seems like a lot of shape reading and the small N large P (number of variables/measures) problem. However, this interpretation meshed pretty well with my experience in the world, so I went with it.

I look forward to the time when we can sit down for a thoughtful conversation over wine and dinner.
 
Follow-up on whether Gordon’s ships out of state: I asked specifically if they shipped to NC and they said they send shipments out every 2 weeks starting October 12 and the cost is $40-$60 per case depending on the final destination address, etc.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Ken Schramm:
I will try not to get too political here, but some politics is inevitable.

In 2018, Michigan went from having a male Republican Governor, SoS and AG to having women Dems in all of those jobs. My area also went from having R males as State Rep and Senator to having D women in both those offices. My new State Senator is Mallory McMorrow, who authored SB 819, which would make interstate retail wine shipping legal in MI, if it made it out of the R-controlled Senate committee in which it is being moth-balled. I have a feeling that Whitmer and the AG want this over with and are giving McMorrow some tacit solidarity and support by offering up token opposition and really not putting their hearts into it. Witness your point, Jayson.
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Not political, factual. Republicans are only for "free trade" if it means lower (or no) taxes on capital or wealth. They stop being for free trade when it comes to donors industries.

This is political. There are two kinds of Republican: venal and stupid. If there's a third sort, I'd love to know.
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the third kind is both--venal and stupid.
 
This was distributed for the conference on 9/29, which could have meant news about its future yesterday morning, but...

Amicus briefs were filed on behalf of the Plaintiffs by a group of wine buyers and the Nat'l Assn of Wine Retailers. Requests for response were made due Oct. 9th.

The MI Wholesalers Assn and the Michigan AG filed for a 30 day extension, to Nov 9th. The extension was granted.

Being drawn out agonizingly, but the fact that the extension was granted does indicate that the chances that the case will be heard might be increasing. If they wanted to toss it right then, they could have.
 
This was scheduled for conference on the 11th, but has been rescheduled, no date announced. We could have been finding out Monday if it was/is getting a date.

Fuck Trump, the 126 whores he rode in on, those 17 other AGs and that dipshit Paxton clean to Madagascar.
 
originally posted by Ken Schramm:
Fuck Trump, the 126 whores he rode in on, those 17 other AGs and that dipshit Paxton clean to Madagascar.
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Is anyone even able to talk to Republicans anymore? I don't really have any more of them in my life except my FiL and we just mock him or tell him to shut up whenever he breaches politics. He claims to have voted Biden and hate Trump, but still. Is it even possible to be a Republican in polite, educated company?
 
Also, update: I received my shipment from Gordon's. Whoever guessed Collier was indeed correct! I grabbed a few other odds and ends. The website isn't great (what wine store website is?) but the customer service and communication about shipping was great. The shipment origin was the Bronx so I think they're using one of those shippers located there. I think a lot of folks are in NY and HDH did as well.

Everything arrived in good shape and I'm happy with the transaction and to have another potential source for Collier (until it is available in NC).
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Ken Schramm:
Fuck Trump, the 126 whores he rode in on, those 17 other AGs and that dipshit Paxton clean to Madagascar.
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Is anyone even able to talk to Republicans anymore? I don't really have any more of them in my life except my FiL and we just mock him or tell him to shut up whenever he breaches politics. He claims to have voted Biden and hate Trump, but still. Is it even possible to be a Republican in polite, educated company?
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As I think I said to you before, come on. This is an exaggeration. At least you could talk at each other. Like you, I have to deal with a righter leaning older generation in the family.

What I think is a more interesting conversation, one that is barred at the other wine place I frequent, is whether the Republican party will split. We have had a relatively stable domination of two political parties for a long time. That situation certainly seems to be closer to changing now than at any time in our lives. I would not be surprised to see a messy break, and it will be interesting to see if and how centrist Republicans can appease the Trumpsters.

I could even imagine four big parties at this time for the first time in our lives: Democratic, Social Democratic/Progressive, Republican, and Trump/Nationalist/(Fascist?).
 
The problem with the Republican party splitting is that what we think of as the traditional, "respectable" Republicans haven't been able to win Presidential elections on that platform alone. They depended on a white backlash that they were starting to lose control of.Trump gave them that backlash back while giving the old Republicans most of the policies (tax cuts for the wealthy, supply side economics, penurious funding of social programs, judges who still want to fight the culture wars). If that alliance started really losing elections, the party might split. But, aside from Trump's loss, the party did fairly well in this past election. Since they don't have a national standard bearer who would do better than Trump, I doubt much of the party will desert him or his style when they finally need to move on from him.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Ken Schramm:
Fuck Trump, the 126 whores he rode in on, those 17 other AGs and that dipshit Paxton clean to Madagascar.
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Is anyone even able to talk to Republicans anymore? I don't really have any more of them in my life except my FiL and we just mock him or tell him to shut up whenever he breaches politics. He claims to have voted Biden and hate Trump, but still. Is it even possible to be a Republican in polite, educated company?
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As I think I said to you before, come on. This is an exaggeration. At least you could talk at each other. Like you, I have to deal with a righter leaning older generation in the family.
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What on earth would we talk about? Is there a Republican policy position that isn't intellectually or morally bankrupt (or both)? Evidence doesn't matter to them and science certainly doesn't. I'm not reaching across the fucking aisle. It's about time they crawl back and meet me in the center and act like civilized people.

What I think is a more interesting conversation, one that is barred at the other wine place I frequent, is whether the Republican party will split. We have had a relatively stable domination of two political parties for a long time. That situation certainly seems to be closer to changing now than at any time in our lives. I would not be surprised to see a messy break, and it will be interesting to see if and how centrist Republicans can appease the Trumpsters.
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Not a whole lot of intellectual firepower over there.

I could even imagine four big parties at this time for the first time in our lives: Democratic, Social Democratic/Progressive, Republican, and Trump/Nationalist/(Fascist?).
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Well, the problem is that a lot of people make decisions without utilizing, if they're able, their pre-frontal cortex. Self-avowed "conservatives" (who are really reactionaries with nothing measured or conservative about them) especially often support progressive or downright socialist policy positions yet revile "dems" or "libtards". I think you're kidding yourself if you think you can have sensible conversations with these people. I've never been able to (speaking with a HS educated, cousin who works in a vacuum repair shot about why he hates dems and was against "Obamacare" despite lacking health insurance and being married to a Colombian woman, obviously, haven't spoken in years).

I think I've made my thinking clear that there is no real way forward and the part of the US I live in (locally and culturally, if not the whole of my state) doesn't have anything in common with Iowa or Arkansas. Not culturally, not economically. Therefore, my preference to be for a halving or more of the federal budget, especially defense spending with a concomitant decrease in federal taxes. State and local governments can take up where the federal government withdraws. States can work out tax policies for interstate commerce. I'm sick of my "coastal elite" tax dollars going to red states that hate me and shit on my values. If they want me gone, fine. Good luck motherfuckers.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
The problem with the Republican party splitting is that what we think of as the traditional, "respectable" Republicans haven't been able to win Presidential elections on that platform alone. They depended on a white backlash that they were starting to lose control of.Trump gave them that backlash back while giving the old Republicans most of the policies (tax cuts for the wealthy, supply side economics, penurious funding of social programs, judges who still want to fight the culture wars). If that alliance started really losing elections, the party might split. But, aside from Trump's loss, the party did fairly well in this past election. Since they don't have a national standard bearer who would do better than Trump, I doubt much of the party will desert him or his style when they finally need to move on from him.
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It's amazing to me that folks still think there are "respectable" Republicans. We're living in the end game of Nixon's Southern strategy. It was always going to be like this.

What I can't get my head around, especially with folks like my FiL is why they're so angry and what they actually want our country to be for? He's rich and lives a great life but doesn't want to do anything about climate change (I guess he'll be dead when my daughters are dealing with it) and thinks that because he grew up working class and made it that anyone can (he forgets that he went too an elite northeastern private school on scholarship and then to Harvard, not something generally available to persons of color).

Anyway, good for folks who think there is something to be salvaged with Republicans. I think that the history of the last 40 years has shown that their entire policy agenda is a failure both morally and economically. It's basically a dog eat dog world where you get yours and pull the ladder up behind you. I don't want to live in an ugly world like that.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I see no need for you to have quoted me, Nathan. What you wrote isn't remotely responsive to what I said.
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It directly pertained to this:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
The problem with the Republican party splitting is that what we think of as the traditional, "respectable" Republicans haven't been able to win Presidential elections on that platform alone. They depended on a white backlash that they were starting to lose control of.Trump gave them that backlash back while giving the old Republicans most of the policies (tax cuts for the wealthy, supply side economics, penurious funding of social programs, judges who still want to fight the culture wars).
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But I wasn't arguing with you, just using that as my jumping off point.
 
Seems like VLM may be slightly conflating Republicans with his FIL and his vacuum repair cousin. Those folks may make your blood boil, but it's a bigger tent than that!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Seems like VLM may be slightly conflating Republicans with his FIL and his vacuum repair cousin. Those folks may make your blood boil, but it's a bigger tent than that!
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Maybe. I am just using those two as examples that are close to home and that I would generally seek to find a way forward with (he was my favorite cousin growing up, he taught me how to hunt and I idolized him for it) but I do have other anecdotes that were equally disappointing. However, it sure doesn't seem that way and survey results I've seen reported are pretty discouraging.
 
originally posted by VLM:
...the part of the US I live in (locally and culturally, if not the whole of my state) doesn't have anything in common with Iowa or Arkansas. ...
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Last I saw, NC went with Trump and the state, while trending purple, is still quite red. You might live in a more liberal pocket of the state, but still...
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by VLM:
...the part of the US I live in (locally and culturally, if not the whole of my state) doesn't have anything in common with Iowa or Arkansas. ...
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Last I saw, NC went with Trump and the state, while trending purple, is still quite red. You might live in a more liberal pocket of the state, but still...
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The population, cultural and economic centers are all pretty blue (my county was 86%). All rural areas are bathed in red and while NC was supposedly purple that hasn't really been the case thus far and may never be.
 
The 2016 county map of election results. The blue counties are on the coasts (though not in the path of hurricanes), in a rim south and east of the Appalachins, and along the Mississippi River (probably also responsible for those dots sprinkled in flyover country). In other words, those parts of the country in which you are likely to meet, work, and live with people of widely-varying backgrounds.
 
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