Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
It’s been a few years but the 1998 Cuvee Collection (Louis/Dressner import at the time) is one of the greatest wines I’ve ever had from Southern France. I would trade a case of 3.14 (if I had it) for one bottle.
2007 Foillard 3.14
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It’s been a few years but the 1998 Cuvee Collection (Louis/Dressner import at the time) is one of the greatest wines I’ve ever had from Southern France. I would trade a case of 3.14 (if I had it) for one bottle.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
In another display of self-serving abnegation I opened a bottle of 2013 Foillard Côte du Py and found it rather bland. Such a bottle would justify the disenchantment expressed in this thread. The 3.14 is in another league.
If Jeff will do the honors, I would propose an intercontinental zoom tasting of 2013 3.14, from California to Europe. We just need ten minutes to taste, chat, and recalibrate what we mean by words like concentration, extraction, bigness, boring, sweet, etc.
Anyone who honestly finds a non-damaged bottle to taste concentrated or like Syrah, I will reimburse them.
ps: no food is needed for those who eat their words
If Jeff will do the honors, I would propose an intercontinental zoom tasting of 2013 3.14, from California to Europe. We just need ten minutes to taste, chat, and recalibrate what we mean by words like concentration, extraction, bigness, boring, sweet, etc.
Anyone who honestly finds a non-damaged bottle to taste concentrated or like Syrah, I will reimburse them.
ps: no food is needed for those who eat their words
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Lil Abneg,
I only have regular '11 and '14 left. I drank all my 3.14, usually soon after purchase.
Oakless Joe
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Alas, I don't see any 2013 for sale in the US on wine-searcher.
Finally opened the lone bottle of 2014 Foillard 3.14 that I've had in the wine cabinet for a few years. I don't think I've had this cuvee in over 10 years, but I do have positive memories about drinking it in France.
This bottle also ended up a positive experience, after starting off a bit too dark for my preferences. It retained the ripe dark fruit throughout, but with air came the layers and the elegant structure, the typical Foillard crystal silk. Although with a bit more focus and poise than the standard CdP. It was also a gorgeous match for the pizza with tomato sauce, sottocenere, maitake, nettles and basil.
That said, like most folks earlier in this thread, at $80-100, it didn't feel worth it and I would probably rather spend that money on other stuff in the future.
This bottle also ended up a positive experience, after starting off a bit too dark for my preferences. It retained the ripe dark fruit throughout, but with air came the layers and the elegant structure, the typical Foillard crystal silk. Although with a bit more focus and poise than the standard CdP. It was also a gorgeous match for the pizza with tomato sauce, sottocenere, maitake, nettles and basil.
That said, like most folks earlier in this thread, at $80-100, it didn't feel worth it and I would probably rather spend that money on other stuff in the future.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Which among the Beaujolais wines do you find to have desirably obtrusive personalities?
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
...Is that short for "Lil Abnegation?" Innocent and curious.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Yes. I am referring to Oswaldo's use of the term and to the Lil Abner comic strip (which included "Hairless Joe", a moonshiner, among the characters).
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
Certainly, all "obtrusive personalities" and so, in harmony with previous posts! I abnegate all responsibility.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Desvignes. Coudert. Love the stuff.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
I have those, as well as Foillard.
Now you've got me thinking - I'll have to set up a mini-Beaujolais tasting for me and my sweetie. 2005 Desvignes, I think, with 2009 Foillard and Coudert VT.
How do you feel about Coudert's Griffe?
Now you've got me thinking - I'll have to set up a mini-Beaujolais tasting for me and my sweetie. 2005 Desvignes, I think, with 2009 Foillard and Coudert VT.
How do you feel about Coudert's Griffe?
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
A week after a 2017 Alex Foillard Brouilly that didn't show its 14.0%, last night we took the 2018 Jean Foillard Cote du Py, weighing in at 14,5%, for a (hesitant) test run. Also not showing the abv. Both had the semi-carbonic spices that I associate with the Gang of 4 or 5 or 6, except the first was fully awake, exuberant, but simple, whereas the second was still half-asleep, but showing greater complexity (and promise of additional complexity down the road) in the palate, which rated an absolute wow. So, even though the mounting alcohols aren't, imo, showing in the wine, only in the bedtime, it appears that things remain positive in the land of Foillard.
Thanks for that. I had a couple bottles of 2018 Foillard CdP in the summer/fall and did not love it. In fact, it contributed to my fear of 2018 Beaujolais. (Although I did find more joy in the 2018 Alex Foillard Brouilly).
I was planning to open my last bottle of 2018 CdP in the next couple of weeks and be done with it. Your note is making me wonder if more pleasure would come from aging. But not sure it's really worth the investment in this case. At least for me.
FWIW, I really liked 09 Foillard CdP in the early years after release. For me, it was rich and seductive. 18 Foillard has been hot and slightly messy.
But I didn't conduct rigorous these are not scientific tasting comparisons and there are surely many more variables going on across the years.
But I didn't conduct rigorous these are not scientific tasting comparisons and there are surely many more variables going on across the years.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
It was vigorously decanted for about two hours, which may have coaxed a little bit more aroma. But what I found impressive was the palate, so I'm curious to hear your (final) impression. Btw, drunk on a Root day with low pressure (windy and wet), so it may help if you drink it in on the evening of a truly miserable winter day.
You're right. Tonight's bottle of 2018 Foillard CdP was recognizablly Foillard Morgon (especially after a decant) and more integrated than my last bottle from 6-7 months ago. I even had outright fun during dinner with the wine and a roasted mushroom arugula pizza.
Maybe that positive evolution will continue and at some point I will actually love the wine. But, it strikes me as too high octane to be worth the risk for me. Yes, I know vintage variation is one of the spices of life. But even among rich years, 09 and 15 have been easier to like and more attractive. Perhaps this will evolve in those directions. I'd love to be wrong. But there's plenty of other wine out there, so I will survive!
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Good to get your take. I agree that the octane level does give one pause, but the 22 price tag here gives one unpause and makes it somewhat irresistible to age at least half a dozen. And for people coming into natural wine from a more robust context it may be an ideal conduit.