Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
So, with everyplace getting warmer, we've seen a fizz industry develop in southern England. How about America: has anybody seen an uptick in the quality of, say, wines from Virginia?
Climate change opportunities?
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Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Right. I think this would be more along the lines of what is possible in upstate NY or Canada that might not have been 20 years ago.
On the contrary, it is generally too hot and far too humid to grow vinifera with any success without massive chemical inputs (if you have been there you'd know there isn't just an issue with downy mildew and rot but mind-boggling insect pressure). So southern England makes perfect sense (and, surprise, grapes - though mainly hybrids - can ripen in southern Norway) with global warming.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Keller’s Scandanavian Riesling!!
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
My daughter and son-in-law live in London and are avid wine enthusiasts/travelers. They are confident that the cyclical warm trend at this time will lead to England having wine comparable to the fine regions of France.
Time will tell.
. . . . . Pete
Time will tell.
. . . . . Pete
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Got it. I'll look for Cuvee Greenland.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
It's not quite warm enough yet for grapes. I wonder what the vines will think of 20-hr days?
Anyway, there is the beginnings of agriculture in Greenland. One eager fellow is already growing potatoes, kale, cabbage, carrots, turnips, beets, spring onions, and, yes, iceberg lettuce.
Anyway, there is the beginnings of agriculture in Greenland. One eager fellow is already growing potatoes, kale, cabbage, carrots, turnips, beets, spring onions, and, yes, iceberg lettuce.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
Good catch. There are no known cyclical trends that could conceivably be responsible for what we have seen in the last 20 years, more so in the last 10 and pretty intensely in the last five. Lets hope this was just a slip of the keyboard.
Unfortunately, it's not. Pete spews this horseshit on a semi-regular basis. It might have been funny 20 or even 10 years ago, but it just isn't anymore because climate denial is indicative of all sorts of other toxic views none of them supported by anything approaching science, about which Pete probably understands little.
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
I'm all for good wine in new places. I get the conceit (literary, not personal): a story of beneficial perceptions (possibly entertaining/distracting) of some of the changes in the world today. But these things are connected. I know that environmental, social, cultural and political challenges are severe and it is difficult for us to take it in without feeling like our hearts are caving in. I'm writing from northern California where a pall of unsafe/unhealthy air is sitting over the land. While places all around me, further away so far, burn up.
I find it hard to accept the premise of "benefits" of climate change for any reason when so many plant and animal species are being winked out. And microorganisms.
To me, to seek to identify a nice niche within a larger reality that is ugly for everybody is a soporific. It puts us all to sleep. If Greenland and England grow vast quantities of grenache it means social upheaval and political disorder everywhere has already happened. And that's just for humans. The biological systems that we rely on (unwittingly, unfortunately) will have become permanently disturbed and unreliable.
I'm so sad about our human tendency to isolate the variable and be entranced by its intricacies. As long as that "isolated" fact pertains to our desires. As though that is real life. That isolation of ideas and possession of things as if that grants us control over them.
I'm hoping for a different perspective.
I find it hard to accept the premise of "benefits" of climate change for any reason when so many plant and animal species are being winked out. And microorganisms.
To me, to seek to identify a nice niche within a larger reality that is ugly for everybody is a soporific. It puts us all to sleep. If Greenland and England grow vast quantities of grenache it means social upheaval and political disorder everywhere has already happened. And that's just for humans. The biological systems that we rely on (unwittingly, unfortunately) will have become permanently disturbed and unreliable.
I'm so sad about our human tendency to isolate the variable and be entranced by its intricacies. As long as that "isolated" fact pertains to our desires. As though that is real life. That isolation of ideas and possession of things as if that grants us control over them.
I'm hoping for a different perspective.
Florida Jim
Florida Jim
This.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
I take threads about growning wine in Greenland to be gallows humor, to which I've never objected.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
When done by a Karen, it becomes Gallo's humor.
Well Capitalism tends to exploit a market niche, and with a changing climate there will be plenty of niches. And if it helps, Earth has survived at least 5 mass extinction events before, so chances are we'll survive another one. Of course, "we" as a species may have a hard go at it, but life on this precious little planet has never offered guarantees.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
Oh, I expect the species will survive. That really doesn't offer much consolation if it kills 95% of us and leaves the rest scrambling for subsistence Survival is a grim criterion at the species level.