another ultra-light death

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I also think your enhanced history tends to support Jayson in identifying a generation, roughly who started out either in the second 25 years of C20 and started domaine bottling sometime in the third quarter. Unsurprisingly, very few of them are left and many of the new names are their sons and grandsons, as you also show.
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But Jayson claimed that they learned from the grandfathers, which I don't think they did.
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I never said grandfathers.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I never said grandfathers.
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Still, in order to make your actual sentence true, they would have to learn 30-year-old techniques. Not sure about that. I suppose, all things being equal, everybody did whatever Vidal-Fleury did (they were the biggest name in the region).
 
- Raymond Trollat was born in 1931 and got married in 2000.
- Casimir Balthazar founded his domain in 1931. Rene took over in 1950.
 
- Alain Graillot was born in the N Rhone valley in 1945. He had a career in business (agro-chemicals) first, with extensive travel... which he hated. He founded his domain in 1985. He learned from Jacques Seysses (Dom. Dujac) and Jean Pierre de Smet (Dom. l'Arlot). Alain bought his property and the first harvest began 15 days later. His first soup-to-nuts vintage was 1989. He also owns vines in St Joseph and (rents? owns?) in Greffieux.

His sons, Maxime and Antoine, have run the domain since 2008. He has a zillion side projects (Fleurie and St Amour, Bierzo, Morocco, Australia); Maxime also has a domain. Alain likes whole clusters and stems; Maxime does without the stems.

I spoke with Antoine once at the Reboule. click

Nice video of Alain (there are several in the series). click

More back-story at LARVF. click
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
- Alain Graillot was born in the N Rhone valley in 1945. He had a career in business (agro-chemicals) first, with extensive travel... which he hated. He founded his domain in 1985. He learned from Jacques Seysses (Dom. Dujac) and Jean Pierre de Smet (Dom. l'Arlot). Alain bought his property and the first harvest began 15 days later. His first soup-to-nuts vintage was 1989. He also owns vines in St Joseph and (rents? owns?) in Greffieux.

His sons, Maxime and Antoine, have run the domain since 2008. He has a zillion side projects (Fleurie and St Amour, Bierzo, Morocco, Australia); Maxime also has a domain. Alain likes whole clusters and stems; Maxime does without the stems.

I spoke with Antoine once at the Reboule. click

Nice video of Alain (there are several in the series). click

More back-story at LARVF. click
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...and for the etc, etc...!

Nice work! Thanks......
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
- Alain Graillot was born in the N Rhone valley in 1945. He had a career in business (agro-chemicals) first, with extensive travel... which he hated. ... He has a zillion side projects (Fleurie and St Amour, Bierzo, Morocco, Australia); Maxime also has a domain. Alain likes whole clusters and stems; Maxime does without the stems.
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Change his mind on travel then?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
- Alain Graillot was born in the N Rhone valley in 1945. He had a career in business (agro-chemicals) first, with extensive travel... which he hated. He founded his domain in 1985. He learned from Jacques Seysses (Dom. Dujac) and Jean Pierre de Smet (Dom. l'Arlot). Alain bought his property and the first harvest began 15 days later. His first soup-to-nuts vintage was 1989. He also owns vines in St Joseph and (rents? owns?) in Greffieux.

His sons, Maxime and Antoine, have run the domain since 2008. He has a zillion side projects (Fleurie and St Amour, Bierzo, Morocco, Australia); Maxime also has a domain. Alain likes whole clusters and stems; Maxime does without the stems.

I spoke with Antoine once at the Reboule. click

Nice video of Alain (there are several in the series). click

More back-story at LARVF. click
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I have a vague recollection of the historical continuity here re Jacques Seysses but can’t find the details when I looked. My recollection is he brought stem inclusion from the Rhône to Burgundy. I think he apprenticed with Auguste Clape in the mid-‘60s before starting Dujac in 1968.

Do any books from the first half of the 20th Century on N Rhône winemaking exist? How is JLL on the history? This seems like such an interesting history to record in more detail than the stock lines found in articles now if it isn’t already written down. It’s getting late to try to reconstruct now.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
- Alain Graillot was born in the N Rhone valley in 1945. He had a career in business (agro-chemicals) first, with extensive travel... which he hated. He founded his domain in 1985. He learned from Jacques Seysses (Dom. Dujac) and Jean Pierre de Smet (Dom. l'Arlot). Alain bought his property and the first harvest began 15 days later. His first soup-to-nuts vintage was 1989. He also owns vines in St Joseph and (rents? owns?) in Greffieux.

His sons, Maxime and Antoine, have run the domain since 2008. He has a zillion side projects (Fleurie and St Amour, Bierzo, Morocco, Australia); Maxime also has a domain. Alain likes whole clusters and stems; Maxime does without the stems.

I spoke with Antoine once at the Reboule. click

Nice video of Alain (there are several in the series). click

More back-story at LARVF. click
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I have a vague recollection of the historical continuity here re Jacques Seysses but can’t find the details when I looked. My recollection is he brought stem inclusion from the Rhône to Burgundy. I think he apprenticed with Auguste Clape in the mid-‘60s before starting Dujac in 1968.

Do any books from the first half of the 20th Century on N Rhône winemaking exist? How is JLL on the history? This seems like such an interesting history to record in more detail than the stock lines found in articles now if it isn’t already written down. It’s getting late to try to reconstruct now.
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I still have the ‘78 edition of JLL’s book. When I get home tonight I’ll look at it.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
- Alain Graillot was born in the N Rhone valley in 1945. He had a career in business (agro-chemicals) first, with extensive travel... which he hated. ... He has a zillion side projects (Fleurie and St Amour, Bierzo, Morocco, Australia); Maxime also has a domain. Alain likes whole clusters and stems; Maxime does without the stems.
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Change his mind on travel then?
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Yes. His travel took him all over the world -- Maxime and Antoine were born in different countries, neither one France.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I have a vague recollection of the historical continuity here re Jacques Seysses but can’t find the details when I looked. My recollection is he brought stem inclusion from the Rhône to Burgundy. I think he apprenticed with Auguste Clape in the mid-‘60s before starting Dujac in 1968.

Do any books from the first half of the 20th Century on N Rhône winemaking exist? How is JLL on the history? This seems like such an interesting history to record in more detail than the stock lines found in articles now if it isn’t already written down. It’s getting late to try to reconstruct now.
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As I understand it, when Graillot was moving back to France he was already friends with Seysses so naturally asked him for guidance. But Seysses was having serious back trouble and De Smet was helping him. So, Graillot ended up doing whatever De Smet wanted, which was cluster/stems.

I did not see anything about Graillot/Clape.
 
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