Which cheeses w/red wine(s)?

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
As opposed to an escapable Catch 22.

Natch.

Nacho-22: no matter how you pick it up, cheese drips on your lap.

Only if it's a Drippy Drip, Drip.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

I like it that it is his middle name and last name that repeat instead of his first and last, as was the case with Major Major (although he was made a Major by the army and thus became Major Major Major), since we're talking about Catch-22.

 

[Peter Creasey]

This ongoing dialogue about cheese(s) is scintillating...carry on, please! (With apology for the exclamation mark.)

. . . . . . Pete

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

I like it that it is his middle name and last name that repeat instead of his first and last, as was the case with Major Major (although he was made a Major by the army and thus became Major Major Major), since we're talking about Catch-22.

Banned! Only Coad was allowed to explain a joke, and I put this post in that Camp!

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

I like it that it is his middle name and last name that repeat instead of his first and last, as was the case with Major Major (although he was made a Major by the army and thus became Major Major Major), since we're talking about Catch-22.

Banned! Only Coad was allowed to explain a joke, and I put this post in that Camp!

I dispute this ruling. I was mentioning a joke, not explaining it.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

I like it that it is his middle name and last name that repeat instead of his first and last, as was the case with Major Major (although he was made a Major by the army and thus became Major Major Major), since we're talking about Catch-22.

Banned! Only Coad was allowed to explain a joke, and I put this post in that Camp!

Incorrect! It is a universal truth as expounded by the prophet Coad that jokes are funnier when explained.

I will illustrate this (since holy writ often benefits from illustration, or at least illumination) by pointing out that frankfurter is often used as a synonym for hot dog. Thus my clarifying sentence returned us neatly to the original discussion of doggy dog vs dog eat dog.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

I like it that it is his middle name and last name that repeat instead of his first and last, as was the case with Major Major (although he was made a Major by the army and thus became Major Major Major), since we're talking about Catch-22.

Banned! Only Coad was allowed to explain a joke, and I put this post in that Camp!

Incorrect! It is a universal truth as expounded by the prophet Coad that jokes are funnier when explained.

I will illustrate this (since holy writ often benefits from illustration, or at least illumination) by pointing out that frankfurter is often used as a synonym for hot dog. Thus my clarifying sentence returned us neatly to the original discussion of doggy dog vs dog eat dog.

I am laughing out loud so I stand corrected and withdraw my plea to ban Jonathan.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

I like it that it is his middle name and last name that repeat instead of his first and last, as was the case with Major Major (although he was made a Major by the army and thus became Major Major Major), since we're talking about Catch-22.

D'oh! I completely missed this.

Well played, Dr. Cohen.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

At least you didn't grow up in a dog-eat-hot-dog world. That's a blessing.

Posting again on this board is having a bad effect on me: I woke up this morning thinking about whether dogs actually eat each other in nature, even when they're very hungry.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

At least you didn't grow up in a dog-eat-hot-dog world. That's a blessing.

Posting again on this board is having a bad effect on me: I woke up this morning thinking about whether dogs actually eat each other in nature, even when they're very hungry.

I had a dream while snoozing this morning that I was decanting a bottle of Bordeaux for a Zoom tasting, ready to fill little bottles, when I realized in my dream that the tasting was the next week. I then proceeded to drink the wine myself, and it was spectacular. Turning the bottle just before I woke up, to remind myself what it was, it was 1989 Figeac. I woke up that instant.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Was his middle name Dog and his last name Dog as well, or was his last name Dog and the second Dog was a nominative to distinguish him from some possible Doggy Dog Lion or Doggy Dog Ardvark? If the latter, then his name was actually Doggy Dog, Dog.

Perhaps it will be clearer if I use it in a sentence. Mr. D. D. Dog did not eat frankfurters.

At least you didn't grow up in a dog-eat-hot-dog world. That's a blessing.

Posting again on this board is having a bad effect on me: I woke up this morning thinking about whether dogs actually eat each other in nature, even when they're very hungry.

I had a dream while snoozing this morning that I was decanting a bottle of Bordeaux for a Zoom tasting, ready to fill little bottles, when I realized in my dream that the tasting was the next week. I then proceeded to drink the wine myself, and it was spectacular. Turning the bottle just before I woke up, to remind myself what it was, it was 1989 Figeac. I woke up that instant.

Well duh! Of course 1989 Figeac will be spectacular.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

One of my first wow wines was an 81 beaucastel had at the domaine in maybe 89. I have dreamt I was tasting that wine again a number of times, which leads Gail to blaming me for not sharing.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I had a dream while snoozing this morning that I was decanting a bottle of Bordeaux for a Zoom tasting, ready to fill little bottles, when I realized in my dream that the tasting was the next week. I then proceeded to drink the wine myself, and it was spectacular. Turning the bottle just before I woke up, to remind myself what it was, it was 1989 Figeac. I woke up that instant.

Hint for next week noted.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I had a dream while snoozing this morning that I was decanting a bottle of Bordeaux for a Zoom tasting, ready to fill little bottles, when I realized in my dream that the tasting was the next week. I then proceeded to drink the wine myself, and it was spectacular. Turning the bottle just before I woke up, to remind myself what it was, it was 1989 Figeac. I woke up that instant.

Hint for next week noted.

If only I owned 1989 Figeac.... Only in my dreams (so far)....

 

[Tom Blach]

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by mark e:
Big question. But in a nutshell, think aged sheep or cow (Parmigiano Reggiano or an old Gouda are good examples). Nothing soft, washed-rind or blue-veined. And goat generally works better with whites, except perhaps when very hard.

A red wine works well with cheeses that offer umami; mere acidity or fat content or aging isn't enough. And I do like port with blues. But, most of the time, whites are a better match with cheese generally.

So, Pete, can you do a 10-year-old Ch9 blanc?

I more or less agree with the above, although with many cheeses I actually prefer beer or cider. I wonder how much these matches vary by person. Some knowledgeable wine people like red Burgundy with aged Epoisses, which sounds like Ali vs. Foreman in the mouth to me.

Epoisses goes with grand red burgundies that have become too old. It revives them remarkably, which admittedly has much to do with suppression.

 

[Peter Creasey]

originally posted by Tom Blach: Epoisses goes with grand red burgundies that have become too old. It revives them remarkably, which admittedly has much to do with suppression.

Tom, interesting and thought-provoking rejoinder. I'll have to give this some thought as I think back on experiences with epoisses and "grand old red Burgundies".

What do you mean with your "suppression" comment if I can inquire?

Nice to see you over here!

. . . . . Pete

 

[Peter Creasey]

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[Tom Blach]

I just mean that the cheese tastes so strong that it masks decrepitude in the wine.

 

[Lee Short]

originally posted by Tom Blach:
I just mean that the cheese tastes so strong that it masks decrepitude in the wine.

That makes more sense.

I also have never understood the whole Epoisses with burgundy thing, it seems like a waste of (possibly good) wine to me.

I used to like the reggiano and red wine pairing, but now I mostly find that the cheese is too strong for the wine. Maybe that's a feature of not drinking much young red wine, or many big reds these days.

To return full circle to the OP, I find that hard or semi-hard milder cheeses are the ones that match best with the reds I'm drinking. As for 10-year-old Chateauneuf, I really have no clue. Just don't drink the stuff. Don't drink many southern Rhones these days, and the ones I do drink are all either lower appellation wines that are not more than five years old, or they are at least fifteen years old.