Gros Misdemeanor

Oswaldo Costa

Oswaldo Costa
2009 Michel Gros Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Aux Brûlées 13.0%
Michel Gros, I must confess, is not a producer I revere. Not so much due to mixed results an age ago but because of his unrepentant use of a must concentrator. While I no longer hold Taliban views on chaptalization -- after all, tens of milllions of people around the world chaptalize their coffee or tea every morning -- I continue to prefer mine unsweetened. Wine too. But if you must interfere with your must, I far prefer sugar, which at least has the virtue of prolonging fermentation and possibly adding complexity, assuming the grapes have some to give. A machine to extract? Yuck. Talk of jumping from pan to fire.

So, how come a tasting note on a Gros? The lone bottle came as part of an auction lot of otherwise desirable stuff, so I found myself hastening to exclude it from inventory. But, I have to say, secretly hoping I would fall on my butt and be proved wrong by, once again, a dastardly display of “wine is so complex that you can never know what you’re gonna get.”

Alas, no such luck. Surprisingly closed (perhaps SO2 not yet fully absorbed), showing a smidgen of sour cherry and licorice (sour is not a smell, of course, but sour cherry is a smell I tend to associate with sour cherries). The palate was somewhat bitter, as if resentful of past malfeasance, and the sweetness had a molasses undertow, as if, who knows, it had been concentrated in some baptismal rite. Even in a year like 2009, when such tampering, if it did happen, was most likely unnecessary. To top it off, a touch of alcohol heat. In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me. Also in its defense, who knows what the storage history was; I would not rule out a touch of central heating, so take these impressions with a grain of tartaric.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
The palate was somewhat bitter, as if resentful of past malfeasance...

I like this moral element! Not just a matter of what the vintage gave, but the subsequent wrongs heaped upon the innocent liquid.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

That is definitely true. We pretty much stopped using it for burgundies because it is overly analytical and seems to sharpen/highlight any flaws. I used to not believe that glasses have a dramatic impact, but every time we get the Zalto out to compare with the Riedel Sommelier the difference is obvious.
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

That is definitely true. We pretty much stopped using it for burgundies because it is overly analytical and seems to sharpen/highlight any flaws. I used to not believe that glasses have a dramatic impact, but every time we get the Zalto out to compare with the Riedel Sommelier the difference is obvious.

Had a few great experiences since getting the Zalto Burgs a few months ago, but will order a pair of Riedels to give us an alternative for when the Zaltos are being overanalytical.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

That is definitely true. We pretty much stopped using it for burgundies because it is overly analytical and seems to sharpen/highlight any flaws. I used to not believe that glasses have a dramatic impact, but every time we get the Zalto out to compare with the Riedel Sommelier the difference is obvious.

Had a few great experiences since getting the Zalto Burgs a few months ago, but will order a pair of Riedels to give us an alternative for when the Zaltos are being overanalytical.

The Zalto Burgundy works pretty well for some whites like Riesling GGs on the more powerful side of the spectrum.
As for the Riedel, it is the Sommelier Burgundy Grand Cru that is really amazing. Sometimes available in 50% off sales or two for the price of one.
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

That is definitely true. We pretty much stopped using it for burgundies because it is overly analytical and seems to sharpen/highlight any flaws. I used to not believe that glasses have a dramatic impact, but every time we get the Zalto out to compare with the Riedel Sommelier the difference is obvious.

"overly analytical" is perfect. We generally use Zalto Bordeaux stems for everything now. I'll break out the Burgundy glasses for older Burgundy and Nebbiolo sometimes.

Jayson recently left a Jancis glass at my house (well, he left 2 but Louisa thought the other one would look better smashed against the garden wall) and I really like it as a universal type of glass.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

That is definitely true. We pretty much stopped using it for burgundies because it is overly analytical and seems to sharpen/highlight any flaws. I used to not believe that glasses have a dramatic impact, but every time we get the Zalto out to compare with the Riedel Sommelier the difference is obvious.

"overly analytical" is perfect. We generally use Zalto Bordeaux stems for everything now. I'll break out the Burgundy glasses for older Burgundy and Nebbiolo sometimes.

Jayson recently left a Jancis glass at my house (well, he left 2 but Louisa thought the other one would look better smashed against the garden wall) and I really like it as a universal type of glass.

I’m glad that my (admittedly inadvertent) gift was put to good use by more than one monkey.
 
The Zalto Burgundy glass is just ridiculous looking. I do like the Bordeaux glass which is actually shaped more like what would be a Burgundy glass from any other brand. But I switched to Glasvin as my regular and now when I use the Zalto even the Bordeaux feels gratuitously oversized.

Gros Brulees can be good and tastes less morally objectionable lately than it used to. They have a very good piece of Brulees.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

Kind of like upgrading your stereo system, and discovering that you can no longer play your favorite tracks recorded more than X years ago. (Try some immortal classical recordings circa WWII on a good set of electrostatics. Oy. That's what the Bose clock/CD player in the kitchen is for.)
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

Kind of like upgrading your stereo system, and discovering that you can no longer play your favorite tracks recorded more than X years ago. (Try some immortal classical recordings circa WWII on a good set of electrostatics. Oy. That's what the Bose clock/CD player in the kitchen is for.)

It's like a punishment for audiophile hubris. Ditto for enophile hubris. The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

Kind of like upgrading your stereo system, and discovering that you can no longer play your favorite tracks recorded more than X years ago. (Try some immortal classical recordings circa WWII on a good set of electrostatics. Oy. That's what the Bose clock/CD player in the kitchen is for.)
Sadly, we're just going to have to rediscover civilization all over again, because if it didn't happen at 24/96, it didn't happen
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In its defense, the Zalto Burg is even less forgiving than me.

That is definitely true. We pretty much stopped using it for burgundies because it is overly analytical and seems to sharpen/highlight any flaws. I used to not believe that glasses have a dramatic impact, but every time we get the Zalto out to compare with the Riedel Sommelier the difference is obvious.

Had a few great experiences since getting the Zalto Burgs a few months ago, but will order a pair of Riedels to give us an alternative for when the Zaltos are being overanalytical.

The Zalto Burgundy works pretty well for some whites like Riesling GGs on the more powerful side of the spectrum.
As for the Riedel, it is the Sommelier Burgundy Grand Cru that is really amazing. Sometimes available in 50% off sales or two for the price of one.

Our new pair of Riedel Sommelier Burgundy Grand Crus arrived last week. Assuming glasses don't need to recover from travel shock, the missus and I tried the pair last night alongside a pair of Zalto Burgundies.

The wine chosen -- 2013 Naudin-Ferrand Côte de Nuits-Villages -- was one that I knew from a recent bottle to be aromatically reticent. This comparison will become more complete when we try them with a bottle of the 2012 version of the same wine, which I know from a recent bottle to be aromatically boisterous.

After much discussion back and forth during dinner, our preliminary consensus was:

The Zalto is the more kinesthetically "luxurious" of the two; the stem is more delicate and the volumetrics more compact. The fear of breakage is also greater, and it produces a sort of crystal shoe effect, whatever that means. The Riedel is so tall that it feels a bit stalwart and ungainly (but this may be just a matter of habit).

There is a small difference in aromas, the Zalto being the more revealing, though not necessarily the most pleasant, since that depends on what is being revealed. Here it showed a little oak, which the Riedel didn't. The shape of the Zalto, starting wider than the Riedel and tapering to narrower, supports the perhaps fanciful notion that the wider bowl collects more aroma, and this is then funneled through a more narrow aperture. The more constant width of the Riedel supports the perhaps equally fanciful notion that the aroma is less concentrated by the shape and that, furthermore, the flare at the rim of the glass leads to some dissipation of aroma.

There was also a small difference in palate flavor/sensation, and here the Riedel seemed to hold a slight edge. The lack of flare on the Zalto may mean that the liquid is propelled slightly further into the mouth so that it hits the tongue closer to the middle. The Riedel's flare may mean that the liquid hits closer to the tip of the tongue, increasing the sweetness attack, leading to a more complete experience.

What was novel for me was the idea that a glass with flare may benefit the mouth at the expense of the nose, and a glass without flare may do the opposite. Hope this makes at least a modicum of sense from a physics point of view.

In truth, neither did much for the wine's reticent aromatics, so perhaps a more revealing comparison will come with the 2012 version of this wine. Now I just have to wait for another Flower night.
 
There was also a small difference in palate flavor/sensation, and here the Riedel seemed to hold a slight edge. The lack of flare on the Zalto may mean that the liquid is propelled slightly further into the mouth so that it hits the tongue closer to the middle. The Riedel's flare may mean that the liquid hits closer to the tip of the tongue, increasing the sweetness attack, leading to a more complete experience.

That seems to me the biggest difference. In the Riedel the wine just flows gently over that lip/flare and then expands in your mouth.
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
There was also a small difference in palate flavor/sensation, and here the Riedel seemed to hold a slight edge. The lack of flare on the Zalto may mean that the liquid is propelled slightly further into the mouth so that it hits the tongue closer to the middle. The Riedel's flare may mean that the liquid hits closer to the tip of the tongue, increasing the sweetness attack, leading to a more complete experience.

That seems to me the biggest difference. In the Riedel the wine just flows gently over that lip/flare and then expands in your mouth.

Agree. And is much more pleasant to drink wine from. Contrary to your impression, O, the Zalto is much less fragile. I wash them in the dishwasher. Would never do that with the Riedel Sommelier Burgundy glass.
 
I feel the flare is important with Burgundies. Georg Riedel strongly recommended the flared lip for Burgundies the last time I heard his presentation. So, it has always been a mystery why Riedel promotes Burgundy glasses that aren't compatible with Georg's stressing the value of the flared lip.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Our new pair of Riedel Sommelier Burgundy Grand Crus arrived last week. Assuming glasses don't need to recover from travel shock,
omg. Now you've got me thinking about how to start an urban legend that stemware experiences travel shock. It's about as plausible as most everything else said about stemware (or travel shock).
 
Contrary to your impression, O, the Zalto is much less fragile. I wash them in the dishwasher. Would never do that with the Riedel Sommelier Burgundy glass.

That is exactly why I ONLY clean them in the dishwasher. Much, much safer. Modern higher end dishwasher are really good at this.
As I had mentioned above, of the 6 or 8 Riedel Sommeliers I had to polish during my first night working at a restaurant I broke 2.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Our new pair of Riedel Sommelier Burgundy Grand Crus arrived last week. Assuming glasses don't need to recover from travel shock,
omg. Now you've got me thinking about how to start an urban legend that stemware experiences travel shock. It's about as plausible as most everything else said about stemware (or travel shock).

And we mustn't forget the shock they anecdotally experience when first boxed.
 
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