originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by georg lauer:
There was also a small difference in palate flavor/sensation, and here the Riedel seemed to hold a slight edge. The lack of flare on the Zalto may mean that the liquid is propelled slightly further into the mouth so that it hits the tongue closer to the middle. The Riedel's flare may mean that the liquid hits closer to the tip of the tongue, increasing the sweetness attack, leading to a more complete experience.
That seems to me the biggest difference. In the Riedel the wine just flows gently over that lip/flare and then expands in your mouth.
Agree. And is much more pleasant to drink wine from. Contrary to your impression, O, the Zalto is much less fragile. I wash them in the dishwasher. Would never do that with the Riedel Sommelier Burgundy glass.
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by georg lauer:
There was also a small difference in palate flavor/sensation, and here the Riedel seemed to hold a slight edge. The lack of flare on the Zalto may mean that the liquid is propelled slightly further into the mouth so that it hits the tongue closer to the middle. The Riedel's flare may mean that the liquid hits closer to the tip of the tongue, increasing the sweetness attack, leading to a more complete experience.
That seems to me the biggest difference. In the Riedel the wine just flows gently over that lip/flare and then expands in your mouth.
Agree. And is much more pleasant to drink wine from. Contrary to your impression, O, the Zalto is much less fragile. I wash them in the dishwasher. Would never do that with the Riedel Sommelier Burgundy glass.
I broke a Zalto a few weeks ago just from tipping it on its side in the sink. The stem is also visibly thinner, and tapers, whereas the Riedel's stem has a constant width. The Riedel is also a heavier glass, and seems made of slightly thicker glass, hence my impression that it appears more robust.
originally posted by Tom Blach:
for most wines the Riedel Vinum is better
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I love the look of the Jancis glass but it's pretty damn expensive glassware itself.
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Well, don't Schott & Riedel still cost about what they always have? But yeah, ever since Zalto raised the bar on price (and glass thinness) all the other new entrants have followed suit. Glasvin is the exception at least in relative terms. I'm really enjoying them at around $25 a stem. Haven't broken one yet but when it happens it won't sting like a broken Zalto.
This sounds exciting, until you know it's about glassware.originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
...the use of flared lips as a sweetness corrective has now become a temptation...
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
This sounds exciting, until you know it's about glassware.originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
...the use of flared lips as a sweetness corrective has now become a temptation...
FWIW, I experimented with same wine in several different glasses quite a few years ago, and while there seemed to be a large difference between a water/highball glass and the wine glasses, between the wine glasses I didn't find big differences and I felt I might be fooling myself.
It's a very hard issue on which to design a properly controlled experiment.
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
for most wines the Riedel Vinum is better
I assume you don't mean the Vinum series burgundy glass is better for most wines. If not, which glass do you mean?
Basically, I have stopped using most of our expensive glassware and am quite happy with the Jancis Robinson glass for most wines on most days.
originally posted by VLM: The one glass I think had some utility but doesn't seem to be made anymore (and all mine are broken) was the Riedel Syrah glass.
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
for most wines the Riedel Vinum is better
I assume you don't mean the Vinum series burgundy glass is better for most wines. If not, which glass do you mean?
Basically, I have stopped using most of our expensive glassware and am quite happy with the Jancis Robinson glass for most wines on most days.
I'm liking the Jancis glass that Jayson left at my place. Since there is only one (Louisa decided to throw the other) it's first come, first served with that glass in our house. I really like it as a glass when we're going to have white and red but we generally use Zalto Bordeaux stems for everything unless it is just a Champagne and white sort of night then we'll use Riedel Sangiovese glasses. I think I might eventually replace those Riedel Sangiovese with the Jancis. The Zalto Burgundy are great for about 3% of wines but annoying for everything else.
The one glass I think had some utility but doesn't seem to be made anymore (and all mine are broken) was the Riedel Syrah glass.
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
for most wines the Riedel Vinum is better
I assume you don't mean the Vinum series burgundy glass is better for most wines. If not, which glass do you mean?
Basically, I have stopped using most of our expensive glassware and am quite happy with the Jancis Robinson glass for most wines on most days.
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
for most wines the Riedel Vinum is better
I assume you don't mean the Vinum series burgundy glass is better for most wines. If not, which glass do you mean?
Basically, I have stopped using most of our expensive glassware and am quite happy with the Jancis Robinson glass for most wines on most days.
I'm liking the Jancis glass that Jayson left at my place. Since there is only one (Louisa decided to throw the other) it's first come, first served with that glass in our house. I really like it as a glass when we're going to have white and red but we generally use Zalto Bordeaux stems for everything unless it is just a Champagne and white sort of night then we'll use Riedel Sangiovese glasses. I think I might eventually replace those Riedel Sangiovese with the Jancis. The Zalto Burgundy are great for about 3% of wines but annoying for everything else.
The one glass I think had some utility but doesn't seem to be made anymore (and all mine are broken) was the Riedel Syrah glass.
I did find some utility as well, given that perhaps 25% of the reds we drank in the US consisted of one vintage or another of Eric's Brézèmes, but not too many other wines tasted great in it other than N. Rhône reds. The Riedel Vinum Syrah glass is still available in Europe (assuming that is the series you mean). Yeah, the Jancis glass seems to be quite versatile, certainly more than the Riedel Vinum Chianti (Sangiovese) glass.
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
for most wines the Riedel Vinum is better
I assume you don't mean the Vinum series burgundy glass is better for most wines. If not, which glass do you mean?
Basically, I have stopped using most of our expensive glassware and am quite happy with the Jancis Robinson glass for most wines on most days.
I'm liking the Jancis glass that Jayson left at my place. Since there is only one (Louisa decided to throw the other) it's first come, first served with that glass in our house. I really like it as a glass when we're going to have white and red but we generally use Zalto Bordeaux stems for everything unless it is just a Champagne and white sort of night then we'll use Riedel Sangiovese glasses. I think I might eventually replace those Riedel Sangiovese with the Jancis. The Zalto Burgundy are great for about 3% of wines but annoying for everything else.
The one glass I think had some utility but doesn't seem to be made anymore (and all mine are broken) was the Riedel Syrah glass.
I did find some utility as well, given that perhaps 25% of the reds we drank in the US consisted of one vintage or another of Eric's Brézèmes, but not too many other wines tasted great in it other than N. Rhône reds. The Riedel Vinum Syrah glass is still available in Europe (assuming that is the series you mean). Yeah, the Jancis glass seems to be quite versatile, certainly more than the Riedel Vinum Chianti (Sangiovese) glass.
I always found the Chianti/Riesling glass great for Riesling, and some other aromatic whites and Champagne depending on the wine, but not most reds. I have a couple I use for Riesling and use for comparison to GGG for Riesling.
I’m so happy the Jancis glass turned into a great unintentional gift to gracious host VLM. Does it count as a gift if I didn’t intend to give it until I was too lazy to drive an extra 30-45 minutes to pick it up?